Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Eric Kaufmann (Whiteshift, Birkbeck College, University of London) Eric’s new book on populism and immigration, Whiteshift 0:12 Why it’s counterproductive to call Trump supporters racist 8:12 Eric’s vision of an American ethnic nationalism 13:12 Bob: Ideally, shouldn’t we get past ethnicity? 23:21 Will mixed-race children of the future identify as white? 30:18 Debating whether a purely civic nationalism is viable 37:28 The real reasons most white voters backed Trump 45:49 The two Democrats who Eric thinks would do best against Trump 57:28 Is ethnic affinity in our genes? 59:28