From Combativeness to Compassion with Caleb Campbell


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Sep 24 2024 57 mins  

In this episode of 'The Biggest Table,' host Andrew Camp is joined by Caleb Campbell, a pastor and the author of 'Disarming Leviathan,' to discuss Christian nationalism. Pastor Campbell shares his insights on American Christian nationalism, defining it as a political ideology, a tribal identity, and a spiritual idolatry. He recounts the challenges he faced leading his church through the polarization of the 2016 and 2020 elections. Campbell describes his approach to addressing Christian nationalism, which involves engaging with compassion rather than combativeness, and emphasizes the importance of hospitality and heart-to-heart conversations. He offers practical advice for Christians on how to disciple and cultivate unity within their congregations amidst political and ideological divides.

Pastor Caleb Campbell graduated Summa Cum Laude with a Masters of Arts in Ministry from Phoenix Seminary in 2015 and is currently a doctoral student at Fuller Theological Seminary. He has served at Desert Springs Bible Church, in Phoenix, AZ since 2006, serving as Lead Pastor since 2015. He also serves on the board of United Pastors of Arizona and as the state-wide regional director of the Surge Network.

He is the founder and director of Disarming Leviathan Ministries (DisarmingLeviathan.com) which produces a podcast, explainer videos and training material to equip people to missionally engage American Christian nationalists. His book, Disarming Leviathan (InterVarsity Press) equips Christians to minister to their Christian Nationalist neighbors. It introduces the basics of Christian Nationalism, and explores the reasons so many people are attracted to it and provides a 'field guide' for responding to American Christian Nationalist talking points along with questions and responses that “humbly subvert” their claims, and cultivate deeper, heart-level conversations.

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