KPFA - APEX Express

A weekly magazine-style radio show featuring the voices and stories of Asians and Pacific Islanders from all corners of our community. The show is produced by a collective of media makers, deejays, and activists.

Important Links:

• Queer Hmong Intersectional Pride Instagram


• Hmong Innovating Politics Instagram


• Hmong Innovating Politics Website

Transcript:

Cheryl: Good evening, everyone. You are tuned in to APEX Express. I’m your host, Cheryl Truong and tonight is an AACRE night. What is AACRE might be asking. Comprised of 11 grassroots, social justice groups, the Asian Americans for civil rights and Equality Network– AACRE– leverages the power of its network to focus on longterm movement building and support for Asian Americans committed to

the fight for social justice. Speaking of AACRE groups. APEX Express is proud to be apart of the AACRE Network.

Joining us for tonight’s show from Yokuts also known as Fresno, california is my special, big hearted friend Shai Chang from Hmong Innovating Politics. Also known as HIP. Shai, do you mind introducing yourself? Who are you, who are your people, and where do you come from?

Shai Chang: Yes, thank you so much for having me on the show. My name is Shai pronouns are they and them.

I’m located in Yokuts Valley, currently in Fresno, California. I’m actually working with Hmong Innovating Politics located both in Sacramento and Fresno. I’m in the Fresno. And officially, just recently in October, I got my name title changed to be the Trans and Queer Fresno Community Organizer.

So I am so ecstatic to be doing the trans and queer work in the Central Valley, yeah, born and raised in Fresno, Hmong, Southeast Asian, and really, actually I was born in a house. The rest of my siblings were born in the hospital. We were actually, the reason why was because we were trying to go to the hospital and my dad was like, Oh, wait for me, wait for me, wait for me, and couldn’t wait any longer.

Cheryl: And then you just popped out. You couldn’t wait any longer. Did your dad make it in time?

Shai Chang: I think my dad made it in time, but only in time for us to come out.

Cheryl: I didn’t know that about you, Shai, that you were a home birth. How many siblings do you have?

Shai Chang: I have five other siblings. We were all born one year apart.

Honestly, like, growing up, I really loved the idea of, Oh, we’re all born one year apart. It’s so nice. My siblings were so close. And now I’m looking back, Oh my gosh, my mom. Oh

Cheryl: my gosh. are any of your siblings also trans or queer?

Shai Chang: No, um, one of them is queer, but, the rest of my family is, actually very progressive and a great ally to me.

So I’ve been very privileged and blessed.

Cheryl: Do you think that’s a common Hmong queer experience to have supportive and progressive parents?

Shai Chang: so I’m not actually out to my parents or my grandparents or my uncles or some of my aunts. I am out to my siblings and so I think it’s very interesting and I’m still grappling along with that as well.

I think there is internal work to be done. It’s that both I think it’s, this is a reality of some things. It’s that outside of the community, I’m queer and trans and at home, I’m very much having to play a role. My dad is a shaman and so he does do, they do come from a lot more like traditional values and conservative values.

And at the same time, they are progressive on things. I think that they understand racial issues. But not gender issues. So you can wear, for example, I would say like my aunt, she it’s like progressive and the most conservative ways, so it’s like. Oh yeah, I’m totally okay that you’re gay, Shai, but if my kids wore earrings, that’s too feminine.

Cheryl: Thanks for sharing that shy. It’s sounds like you’ve had to navigate a lot of different spaces, also expectations.

I’m curious, what was it like growing up queer in Fresno?

Shai Chang: I think that it has really shaped me because I feel like I came into my queerness and my transness so late. I feel like I came into being who and knowing who I am or what I am so late into my life.

It wasn’t until I was much more exposed into the organizing work over in the Bay Area. And so obviously big props to Lavender Phoenix.

Cheryl: Love them. Shout out Lavender Phoenix.

Shai Chang: And just really seeing so many of the organizers really live and their truth and who they are. And I. And having to also trying to figure out what that means for myself as well.

Also knowing that How many other like Hmong trans queer folks are also might be going through the same thing as well. And so there is a definitely a strong sense of unwelcome this or not even unwelcome this, but not the intentional welcome. Right. When we think of radical welcome. From Lavender Phoenix, there is a lack of radical welcomeness within our Hmong community, and so, especially for trans and queer folks, and it wasn’t until just this year that there’s a in the Hmong community, there’s 18 clans, or our last names, and there’s an organization over in the Midwest, over in Minnesota, Minneapolis that just then wrote a letter in Hmong talking about the recognition that, Hey we recognize that we have not been intentional in inviting like trans and queer people into our community.

So like one, it was super validating and two, that’s just like the bare minimum. Okay. They recognize it, but what did they do? Right. Nothing. And so, or, you know, for me I didn’t really see much, but also that’s so different. Like that, that lived experience over in Minnesota is so different from the lived experiences in California for our Hmong community.

And yeah.

Cheryl: Yeah Shine you’re bringing up so many things. You’re so absolutely right. There is such a different between. Merely tolerating transness and queerness, such as you know, in the story you shared earlier but your aunt and her kid wearing earrings. And then also with the vagueness and The lack of action and accountability in the . Minneapolis letter. Versus the radical, welcoming. Of trans and queer folk, such as, is done in Lavender Phoenix, which. For folks who don’t know is also an AACRE group. that organizes is around building trans and queer AAPI power in the bay area. And I also love. That you called in that, of course there are differences in the lived experiences for the Hmong community in Minneapolis. Versus California. Because I also think that that’s super true to in the in lived experiences for trans and queer as in the bay, Area. You know, such as, what Lavender Phoenix does. Versus the transness and queerness that is experienced in the central valley, which is of course where a majority of Hmong Americans in California live. Which is also actually a great segue to talk about the amazing work that HIP does and the work that you lead with QHIP, which is for listeners who don’t know. Is short for Queer Hmong Intersectional Pride. Do you mind telling us what QHIP is and what led to its fruition.

Shai Chang: Yes, thank you so much. Back in 2018, I actually was, that’s when Hmong Innovating Politics actually branched out to Fresno. And that’s when I was like, Oh, I’ve heard about you all, like in the organizing work over in Sacramento. I will love to get involved. And literally that weekend that they came in Mytao one of the original organizers for, to, to branch out into Fresno, she actually messaged me, it’s Hey, I have this application that’s due on Sunday.

It’s Seeding Change. Can you apply for it? I was like, Yeah, sure, of course. It’s Friday. Also, how did you get my number? Ha ha ha ha ha., and so, like, it was just a great She actually got my number through, like, different connections here and there, and then that’s how she got my number, and then she contacted me, and she talked Yeah, and so, that’s how I got involved with HIP, was through Seeding Change.

I’ve already been trying to organize in the Fresno community around , Hmong and trans and queer issues, and, , Leadership has always, always been a very big issue. Just finding other trans and queer leaders, and I was very lucky, it was such a very strange time that one of my were One of my friends, um, friends now, but then, uh, actually it’s like this other random person came into Fresno and was like, Hey, I just got back from, Texas, and I am in Fresno. Like, I was born and raised in Fresno, I moved away, came back, and wanted to organize around trans and queer issues. I was like, no way!

So, on top of that, Mytao, later in the summer, was able to organize to get us, funding, and so we got 3, 000 just to organize for trans and queer issues, and in the next two to three months, um, we got 20 people to start showing up. We met every single week. Wow! And then on top of that, we were hanging out for another two to three hours. So I honestly, we all use obviously like our own personal funding, our own like, like vehicles, transportation, pick it up folks just so that we can meet and really being housed in like HIP’s office.

And. To really honor HIP, we were also trying to think of our name for our own space because I think it came from actually like being, and I, I really also want to share that like quip, the reason I’m like, why QHIP? Why QHIP? Why not join any of the, like the trans and queer spaces? Let me be very clear about why not join any of the other gay spaces in Fresno?

So, and,, Fresno historically has been a very white cis space. male gay space. And so that’s really also we want to highlight that. There is like also trans spaces that just came more recently as well, Trans-E-Motion. But before that , we were actually then like, okay, let’s go and be a part of these organizing spaces as like our little group, right?

And we show up to these spaces and they’re asking, what’s your name? , who are you all? What’s your name? Are you gay little Asian boys?

And so I share the stories. As to, like, how much it speaks volume to the microaggressions, the internal racism that exists, and as well as how much, like, work is done.

Like, why we need this space so much, right? When we show up to these spaces, we are not feeling that sense of belonging, that radical welcoming.

And so, Yeah, we just started organizing from there and then obviously we were being housed and so HIP was like, okay So do you want to spin off and do your own organizations? Who are you and What’s your five year plan and the whole time we’re like “What?!” I’ve never thought about a five year plan, you know, and got, yeah, that’s her name.

And also Katie Moua, who’s working with us as our , program director, you know. And so, we finally actually just this year became a program under HIP. So originally we were like a support group. We were just holding space and we just hit our five year last year and after seeing so much transition and leadership,, we just know that for, sustainability is that we need to make sure that we’re holding it somewhere and so HIP was able to hold that program space for us.

And so that’s just where and where we’re at right now.

Cheryl: Thank you so much for sharing the origin storyof QHIP. It’s really inspiring to meto hear how organizations come to be? And. All of the community effort and community members that came together, recognizing a need and supported each other through it all. It really shows the power of mutual care and collective organizing. We’re going to take a quick music break, but there’ll be more on the incredible organizing workbeing done by QHIP for trans and queer Hmong folk in the central valley when we return. Up next. We’ll be listening to “GRLGNG” by Rocky Rivera. So stay tuned. We’ll be right back.

Here’s “GRLGNG” by Rocky Rivera.

And we’re back. You’re listening to apex express on 94.1 KPFA and 89.3 KPFB in Berkeley and also streaming online at kpfa.org. That last track was “GRLGNG” by Rocky Rivera. We’re here with Shai chang lead organizer of Queer Hmong Intersectional Pride (QHIP). A program by Hmong Innovating Politics, also known as hip. So far Shai has shared some powerful, personal stories about growing up queer and trans in a more conservative central valley.

And how essential programs like QHIP are for helping trans and queer Hmong Americans. I thrive in such places which are often hard to find. We’ve learned about how QHIP. Came to be and how it was created by and for the community through effort and also through. I would say great courage. So Shai. Can you tell us a little bit more about the programming that QHIP does?

Shai Chang: Thank you so much for asking. A lot of the work that we do is rooted in healing justice. when we first came together, we just knew that. There’s so much trauma that we had. Um, so I, I say this because one, we were like, okay, like, should we open it up to, like, other Asian Pacific Islanders?

Should we do like a Southeast Asian, queer, trans work? And then, I was like, let’s look at the space we’re in currently. Who is in here with us? Like, how can we say that we’re a lot of the time, it’s, I think it’s frustrating that it’s always like, API, API, right? And there’s no other Pacific Islanders in this space.

Um, so it’s like to say that Hmong people are here and it’s okay for us to focus on Hmong communities. On top of that, we have so much particular trauma that if we then invite other folks into the space and they have their own intersectional trauma, how can we also hold space for them when we’re also then trying to figure out our own, like.

issues. And so, uh, not realizing that these were like rooted in healing justice. We just knew that we just needed space for ourselves and to heal and, and heal in different ways. And so in one of those ways, like, how can we heal and also have fun? And one of the organizers around that has been One of the events we did was Sports Day.

Um, I was like, okay, how does Sports Day relate to healing, you know? And it’s like, of course it does, right? We know that many times, like, trans and queer folks are not allowed to have fun in sports, are not allowed to be queer enough, like, they’re too queer, um, that they’re not allowed to be Performing to mask, to fan, and like in queer, like in sports.

And so, we know and we recognize that it’s so important for us to actually be able to live in these spaces as well. For us to reclaim these opportunities for ourselves. And so, um, It has shown up in many different ways. And so every single, almost every year we, we do something like that together. And so, uh, we did one in Sacramento and they’re all like, this is where the BIPOC people have been at.

Uh, because there is like a queer and like sports, like, uh, outing that is over there, but it’s always like predominantly white, and so when all of the people of color started showing up, I’m like, oh! Uh, and so it’s so funny. It’s so funny. Like, that we get to actually practice community, care, and love, and intentionality, and really finding space of joy for one another, especially If you want to like play volleyball, hit the ball back into a twerk, you know, like we’ve seen our Southeast Asian Filipinos, like

Cheryl: I love that image of just like this pack of like Hmong queer and trans folk just like rolling up, you know, I just love that image so, so much. And I love that point too. Like what does sports have to do with queer being queer and trans? And it has so much. It starts in those like little things, those little sports outings, being able to hit a volleyball and go into a twerk. That’s healing justice. Wow. That is so incredible. You mentioned that when QHIP first started, it was around 20 people.

What would you say like the age demographic is? of the people in QHIP.

Shai Chang: So when we first started, no one was over 30.

We had folks from high school, and we had folks, um, in like, uh, like over 18, um, and, uh, no one was over 30. Yeah, so we had a very young group and we can just see how like hip has also adapted into that as well It’s not like we have always been really young organizers and so When you were talking about the budding and the seedings like that’s what we do We train and we right now we are wanting to bring up and train other trans and queer leaders that really also want to be a part of the space too because One, like, to be very honest and transparent, if I’m gone, Quint is gone.

That’s what I mean by the sustainability of leadership. Like, I’m the one who’s holding this work right now. And because we have just recently expanded over to Sacramento to have Christine also hold that space, like, oh my god, Once I’m gone, it’s gone, right? And so

so we actually Went um, we had a booth at the Hmong New Year’s. It was a queer and trans booth It’s super queer super trans and we were anticipating lots of pushback And so folks we actually just asked like our friends who I mean like I already didn’t have like queer friends already And so we asked our friends to just come and be in the booth with us, come organize with us, and then words kind of spread out around that, like, oh, there’s this thing, they’re doing this thing, and so folks came and volunteered.

And I need to share this story because, like, we were all anticipating people to come to our booth and push back. Um, we’ve, there’s like Christian monk folks there have come and done push back in the past, but there has never been like a trans and queer booth. Like a Hmong trans queer booth and so folks, we have like a photo booth in the back and the way that you can take brief pictures is that you just signed the board that I support Hmong LBTQ and really there was so much overwhelming love and support for us that many of the times like our own like folks, our own trans and queer folks, they had to take a pause and like, yeah, Actually, I need to take a break, right?

I think this overwhelming sense of love and care from community and so this is where it grew and this is where and how we grew and also knowing at the same time that like there’s so much multiple layers in this conversation, I’m sorry. Um, so it’s like One, there is so many overwhelming support, yes, and that’s how many people came and started to know about us and started organizing along with us.

And the other piece and part of it too is that right now and where I’m at now is that I’m trying to organize for trans and queer spaces for Hmong folks, and I’m really trying to invite community to come and be part of us, and at the same time, not seeing folks show up. Um, and so like when we had our organizing program, our 7, 8, 9 month long organizing program, first time this year, opening it up for like, community to apply and be part of, like, 4 folks applied, and they were all allies, um, and so I, yeah, I didn’t want to take that away from them as well, and so these are the people that applied, and these are the people that like, I will be working with, right?

And so when we went to the Pride Parade, and other, like, trans and queer Hmong folks showed up, and they’re like, Oh, is this an organizing program? And I was like, Yeah, it is! And they’re like, Oh, I should’ve applied! And I was like, Yeah, you should’ve! And so, We, Christina and I, we really had to sit in with that, and it’s like, why is that?

Why is that, like, a really challenging place? Um, and we really lean in back into that, like, in the Hmong community, there is such a lack of welcomeness. There is such a lack of belongingness, like, many times in the Fresno, and this is just, like, trans queer people in general, in the Central Valley, is that For you to be trans and queer, it’s for you to move away from home.

Um, go to the Bay Area, go to L. A. And so, um, in our name, Queer Hmong Intersectional Pride, Intersectional from Kimberly Crenshaw, is really where we are highlighting that you can be queer and you can be Hmong. And Many of the times it’s so hard for us to show up in like our own community because there’s like so much layers of like anti blackness, like patriarchy, uh, lots of gender justice that needs to be done, transformative and healing justice that needs to be done and I appreciate Lambda Phoenix for being so bold and I’m also sitting over here.

It’s like how can I be bold and I think about, like, for us, like, we were already ostracized by our own community, some, many of the times, like, unwelcomed, and for us to then fight to be in our own community, it’s such a big fight already, and then, like, folks would then welcome us, and then, okay, let’s talk about police brutality.

Right? How much of that would then also, um, be welcomed as well? And so really to be trans and queer is for us to be anti imperialist, anti capitalist, you know, anti, um, anti racism, right? And so Yeah, so like that’s that’s just so the realm that we’re like like Hmong and trans queer folks are living in and so our next steps for our quip is for really us to build our sense of belonging.

We’re going to be launching our campaign Love is Love or Luya Lu um to really highlight um that that piece of belongingness within our Hmong and transqueer community that we do need to find a sense of belonging, that we don’t need to be part of like our Hmong community to really find community, that we can have our own community and still be part Hmong and still be transqueer.

Cheryl: I love that so much,, the I in quip intersectional is you can be queer and mom. And I think that is so brilliant. And I wonder the whole that also that piece you shared about how a lot of, you know, queer and trans, trans People of the Central Valley leave to go to larger cities, more liberal quote unquote spaces.

I wonder, too, if that’s part of the reason why there was low signups for your organizing program, because so much of the trans and queer among folk that are in quip are all really young and are still reliant on living in the same household as their family.

Shai Chang: Yeah, thank you so much for highlighting that. Yes, that is so, so, so true. Um, I also really want to highlight that it’s so hard on our femme and women folk, our transqueer femme and women folk, um, because in our experiences as a young person for them, they were the babysitters. Um, they were the caregiver and the caretaker of their family.

And so many of the times it’s that, you know, They could not join us in these particular spaces because they constantly had to ask for permission from their family just to be with us. Um, so, can I go? I was like, oh no, I need you to watch the house, or watch the babies, watch, watch your siblings. Um, I need you to take care of this, or X, Y, and Z, and so.

It’s a lot of, like, it’s a lot of the patriarchy coming up in this multi layer, like, this multi layer level of oppression, multi layer level of, like, Experiences that Hmong and transqueer, , women and femme folks go through. And so really wanting to highlight that.

Cheryl: So, of course, like I’m hearing the family dynamics, the patriarchy. What do you think are the other struggles that queer and trans Hmong youth currently face in Central California?

Shai Chang: you know, the Central Valley is very poor., and so, lot of trans folks actually have a hard time in transition. There’s only like one doctor that comes once in a long while that like really does affirmative care. And so we’re trying to grow our affirmative care resource and our doctors list.

And so now I think we’ve probably grown I think maybe like two or three in the Citra Valley. And I mean Central Valley from like Stockton to like Bakersfield, like there is no, like, it’s hard to find affirmative care. And many of the times folks are, if they’re wanting like gender affirming care, they have to go into the bigger cities.

And so there has been in the past transportation. So obviously when we’re doing like, it’s, you know, Affirmative care surgery. It’s a very, very big thing. And so transportation on top of like housing for rest is a very big thing as well. And so there was funding that folks have been organized to do transportation as well as housing to take care of them.

What does what does aftercare look like? And so I think there’s like those kind of layers like racism, Obviously, transphobia, , homophobia, and I think it just speaks to a lot, you know, about like the, there’s like a lot of, and there is gender based violence in our community, quite a bit, right?

When you think about patriarchy, of course, it’s attached. I think in the media of the times, community needs to also see that patriarchy also impacts, patriarchy impacts all genders. Right. , it forces more, males and men to be more masculine, really pushing them away from what it means for them to actually have, like, quote unquote feelings, or being feminine, or, um, there’s a lot of big drinking problem in our Hmong community as well, and so, there’s lots of, like, over drinking and binge drinking, and so, yeah, there’s also deeply rooted issues that are also, uh, showing up in the community as well.

Cheryl: Wow, there’s a lot. And it sounds like there’s so much infrastructure and resources that are still, that still need to be developed. Central California is still developing their resources for trans and queer, especially trans and queer Hmong folk. My question then, Shai, because you, because I do agree, like if the moment you leave, QHIP is gone. How are you dealing? Because this is a lot of work. How do you deal with all of this responsibility?

Shai Chang: I lean into hip. I have to. Um, to be very honest, I had a really hard time. I think last year, um, we had a really hard time when I was just like, I feel so alone. I went to this like conference. This was called creating change. It’s their national, like LBGTQ conference and over in San Francisco and like February, July and went to that conference and then came back home.

I was like the only trans, you know, I was the only person on the train back home. Right? And so it feels so isolating. It feels so alone sometimes. And I brought this up to HIP and we all just cried and we’re like, This is not okay, right? And so that’s when we started to see what programming for quip actually looks like and recognizing that something needs to happen.

We need to build more. And so I also really want to highlight that it takes time and it takes It takes time and commitment to want to build with people. Um, and we were able to really build space for our trans and queer community here because we were so committed to wanting to build something here. Um, and so it is very alone, like, and also it’s really to recognize that we are not alone.

Um, I think Lambda Phoenix has done such a great job in really being able to model what that means and what that looks like. And literally asking for help. Um, it’s not to say that I’m not good at delegating.

It’s not to say I’m not good at delegating. I’m just really bad at breaking down, like, these roles and responsibilities for me to then Invite other folks in to also to support me to help, you know, to make the movement go and grow together. And we’re so used to doing this work alone. I’m so used to doing this work alone that I feel like I have to do everything together.

I have to be the creative artist, the social media campaign manager. The comms manager, coalition building, I, I feel like I have to be then like the, the organizer, the program manager, the development, the HR, um, the supervisor, and, and at the same time as a, you know, not as a young person anymore, but like young enough still 29, is that I’m still also learning what organizing is and what organizing means.

And so, um, it means all of us. It needs all of us.

Cheryl: That’s actually such an important dimension too, because as , you’re all developing this in the works, you’re also learning along the way. , I guess maybe to end our conversation. I want to know, because you bring up the welcomeness, the radical welcomeness you’ve learned from Lavender Phoenix and how Revolutionary that has been in your praxis of trans and queer organizing for Hmong folk.

What does radical welcoming look like for you for quip moving forward in the next couple of years? What would you want it to look like?

Shai Chang: What it will look like for quip is that Um, next year we’re going to be launching a campaign and then continuing the Love is Love or Lu is Lu Ya Lu campaign and really highlighting the sense of belonging that needs to be built up in our Hmong community. Um, as much as we’re fighting for trans justice, racial justice, and gender justice, and trans queer justice, and like, those are like the big words, and all of those things, and what does that mean?

And it starts at the small, it starts at the small, like, if we don’t even feel that sense of belonging within our own community, if we don’t even feel that sense of belonging within our own selves, small like the sports day, it’s not going to actually build in that piece of justice in the long term. And so it’s so important that, um, we build in that radical welcomeness through all layers.

And it can look very different. It doesn’t have to be like, Oh, welcome. Verbatim welcome. This means that we are doing it every single time at every single point, at every single way. It looks like having dinners. Um, it looks like having fun. It looks like karaoke. It looks like listening to each other’s story, passion mic, open mic nights, poetry slams, and sports days, and Really going out to vote together.

It really looks and shines in all the different ways and really being in coalition with one another is how we’re going to get there and build there. And so, yeah,

Cheryl: that was the perfect answer, Adrian Murray Brown writes about this all the time. Small is all. Radical welcoming in all areas of this work. I think that’s just so beautiful.

We are actually going to take another music break. But learn how to plug into quips work when we get back. So don’t go anywhere.

Up next is taking names by Rocky Ibarra. And we’re back. You are tuned in to apex express on 94.1 KPFA and 89.3. KPMB in Berkeley and [email protected]. You were just listening to you taking names by Rocky Berra. Before we close off the show shy. Do you mind letting our listeners know how they can stay in touch with Quip and learn about all of your upcoming programming?

Shai Chang: Yeah, I would say follow us on our social media, Facebook and Instagram. That’s a great place to begin, um, and continue to share and highlight us. , we are trying to post more. And you can follow us at qhip. ca at qhip. ca or quip. california. ca. Yeah, um, I think that’s a great place to begin and then you all always can message me there.

Um, yes.

Cheryl: Thank you shy. All of those links to equip socials we’ll be linked in our show notes. And so before we close off for the night, do you have any last words, you’d like to share to any trans. Queer, mung folk who might be listening right now.

Shai Chang: Yes. Um, lean into your leadership. Lean into it. I know that you’re so scared of, like, wanting to be in a leader because it feels like there’s so much responsibility that comes with it.

And know that you are not alone. In it. You are not alone in this leadership. You are never alone. There’s so much people who have paved the way and so much people who are still here with us today. And so, I am here and we can learn and lean into each other and really actually create spaces of love. Like, how do we lean into love and not into our leadership?

Right? And so, you don’t have to feel like you are leaning into your leadership alone. But leaning into community and leaning into love.

Cheryl: Thanks, everyone. Thanks for listening, and we’ll see you next time.

Cheryl Truong: Apex express is produced by Miko Lee, Paige Chung, Jalena Keane-Lee, Preeti Mangala Shekar. Shekar, Anuj Vaidya, Kiki Rivera, Swati Rayasam, Nate Tan, Hien Nguyen, Nikki Chan, and Cheryl Truong

Tonight’s show was produced by me, cheryl. Thanks to the team at KPFA for all of their support. And thank you for listening!

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