“It’s interesting that we became enthusiastic about ASL in the process of teaching it to a population that couldn’t benefit from it.” Mike tells Sarah about a very special ape and the very problematic humans around her. Digressions include video dating, "Biography" and the terrible terrible inventor of the telephone. We start with a SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT about the future of the show. Both co-hosts understand the difference between chimps, monkeys and apes but occasionally misspeak. For a transcript of this episode, click here (Thanks Andrea!) Support us: Subscribe on Patreon, donate on Paypal or buy T-shirts, mugs or face masks! Links! Marcus Perlman, the researcher Mike interviewed! "Human and Animal Cognition: Continuity and Discontinuity" "In Memorium: Koko, A Remarkable Gorilla" 2014:08 :koko-kanzi-and-ape-language-research-criticism-of-working-conditions-and-animal-care.html">"What Do Talking Apes Really Tell Us?" “Monkey Business” “Talk to the Animals,” the 1980 Omni article “Animal Bodies, Human Minds: Ape, Dolphin, and Parrot Language Skills” 1979 New York Magazine article on Herb Terrace “The Last Distinction?” “The Sad Twilight of Koko The Gorilla and Her 'Mother'” “Why Koko Can’t Talk” “The Other Side of Silence: Sign Language and the Deaf Community in America” “The Education of Koko” Mike's "women in STEM" joke was a reference to the Bechtel Cast, which is very good! Support the show (http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout)
