This is an unreleased podcast that was recorded on April 7 2018 in The Madcap Laughs Room. This podcast is important because it verifies that Dave,Connie & Pastor Charles had a well developed alternative cosmology years before the so-called Youtube Flat Earth movement that began with Eric Dubay a few weeks after Dave went public with the Cloud Behind The Moon phenomena. A significant portion of this podcast was recorded while Dave was shopping at the store.