Radio Misterioso

May 21 2020 114 mins 4.5k

In-depth conversations on the paranormal alternating with weird music. Live on Sundays 8-10 PM PST @ killradio.org.










Kevin Day – Nimitz UFOs and Beyond
May 05 2020 79 mins  
Kevin Day has been interviewed and scrutinized endlessly by the UFO community. He was the Aerial Defense Matter expert and radar operator on the guided missile cruiser Princeton in early November of 2004, when the so-called “Nimitz UFO encounters” occurred. In this interview, Day first describes the events of that day, and how they affected those involved. As a radar and detection expert, his opinion is that “the Navy tech allowed us to see something that had been there for a long long time.” He describes his impressions and feelings during the main incident and more importantly, how they have affected his life and outlook in the years following his retirement from the Navy. Day says that unnamed officials later visited him on his property and declared that he was “incredibly important in what’s about to happen,” implying some sort of scenario where UFOs and whatever operates them would become more well-known and accepted. Day makes no comment as to what these might be. He also reports some possible psychic effects from the incident. We ended with an extended discussion of his UAP Expedition project, where Day and others such as physicist Kevin Knuth, entrepreneur Deep Prasad, and MIT scientist Rizwan Virk will attempt to attract and record any UFO activity they are able to capture in the area of the original sightings. We had a lot of tech problems for the first 1/3rd of the interview. I have inserted tones inserted at these points in the recording. Thanks to Dave Altman for arranging this interview. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD


Shannon Taggart – Séance
Apr 10 2020 109 mins  
Shannon Taggart is an artist and photographer based in Brooklyn, New York. Her images have been exhibited and featured internationally, including in TIME, the New York Times Magazine, Discover, and Newsweek. We talked about the release of her photography book Séance, which examines the history, issues, and impact of the Spiritualist movement, birthed in the 19th century and which survives to this day. There are literate and informative essays throughout, illustrated with rare and sometimes quite beautiful images and photographs from the history of Spiritualism and related areas of parapsychology, as well as her own stunning images of séances, psychic readings, and the objects associated with them. We discussed her introduction to the world of the séance, and her eventual evolution into what she calls a “diplomat of spiritualism.” She also mentioned that some people (particularly urban sophisticates and some in the art world) seem to be interested in the paranormal, “but if you make it too real for them, they turn off.” She also gave us a fascinating insight into the phenomenon known as “ectoplasm,” and reports of the substance smelling like bodily fluids. One of Shannon’s most interesting insights were her comparisons of photography and Spiritualism: “Through their dance with each other, [they] exposed each other’s limitations. We learned about photography’s complicated relationship with truth, and we learned about Spiritualism’s subjective truth.” Purchase from the publisher. Purchase from the U.S. distributor. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD


Michael Masters – Neoteny and Time Travel and UFOs
Apr 06 2020 114 mins  
Michael Masters earned his doctorate in Anthropology in 2009 and is on the faculty of Montana Technological University. His specialty is in biological anthropology and evolutionary biology, specifically the study of fossil hominid skulls to trace trends in evolution as well as studies of the eye socket to determine the causes and solutions to visual disorders. In 2018, he released “Identified Flying Objects: A Multidisciplinary Scientific Approach to the UFO Phenomenon,” a study of evolutionary trends which may lead humans to eventually appear like what we now describe as the popular concept of “aliens,” which is known as neoteny (“the slowing or delaying of body development, compared to non-human primates, resulting in features such as a large head, a flat face, and relatively short arms.”) The other main premise of his book is that if we eventually begin to look like aliens, there is the possibility that we may be returning from our own evolutionary future and appear as what we know as UFOs and their occupants. We discussed the theoretical possibility that backwards time travel is possible. Masters maintained that the events of the past half century may be very interesting to anyone traveling from the future because of all the rapid changes which have occurred. Masters also believes that the embargo on UFO discussion may be “just about to pop” and that academics will “be their own disclosure.” LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD




Whitley Strieber – A New World
Dec 10 2019 90 mins  
I had the distinct pleasure of speaking with Whitley Strieber for the second time in as many months. The occasion was the release of his new book, entitled A New World. The work may be the most important in Strieber’s “visitors” saga to date: It outlines exactly who and what he has come to believe these entities are, as well as how they interact with us and their reasons for doing so, and how some people may be able to open their own lines of communication with them. A couple of years ago, Whitley said he asked the Visitors to show themselves to more people, and that this book was their eventual answer. He said that they “communicate completely differently than us” without “an evolved language.” Strieber’s experiences led him to conclude that they lead an existence that is nearly unfathomable to us, but is frighteningly described as “like being in an empty house where nothing important or significant can ever happen, and you can’t get out,” and that this is why they need our thoughts and sensations of living in a physical world. This, he concludes, is why they seek the “Communion” described in his very first book on the subject. He also recounted his experience of an apparent implanted object in his ear and how he receives communication through it. We ended with his wish that more scientific and academic people become aware of and engaged with the subject and the Visitors, and how this may already be happening. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD






Christopher White – A History of Alternate Dimensions
Nov 21 2019 88 mins  
Vassar College Religious Studies professor Christopher White’s book Other Worlds is a history of the western world’s search for extra dimensions and how it affected science, the arts, literature, and spirituality. Beginning with the relatively well-known 1884 book Flatland by Edwin Abbott, Chris describes the rise of science in Victorian England and attempts by some thinkers of the period to reconcile these discoveries with traditional and entrenched religious ideas. We moved on to Charles Edward Hinton and his elaborate system of cubes which he said would help anyone realize hidden truths about higher dimensions. We examined the late 19th century astrophysicist Karl Fredrich Zollner and his clash with other scientists regarding his belief that he had found a system of laws that reconciled science and spirituality and who also enthusiastically conducted seances. Chris also delved into the visual arts with Russian avant-garde painter and philosopher Kasmir Malevich as well as iconic author JRR Tolkien, who belived his dreams contained hidden truths regarding his Christian faith. We ended with the advent of television and how it was regarded as an almost magical device when it was introduced and the observation that many scientists and science writers still use mystical ideas and language when writing for a popular audience, and conversely, how those involved in matters of spirit and faith routinely borrow from the language of science. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD



2019 Halloween Music Special with Courtney O’Hearn
Oct 31 2019 134 mins  
The tradition continues with more Halloween weirdness courtesy of the ear and research of my friend Courtney. This year, we had a few more long-form songs and another dramatic reading, as well as some detailed background on some of the tunes, and an unkindess of adaptations of Poe’s The Raven. Enjoy and have a scary and funny and weird Halloween – The Most Wonderful Time of the Year! 1 – Lonesome Wyatt and the Holy Spooks – Halloween Is Here (2013) 2 – Borrah Minevitch And His Harmonica Rascals – Ghost Walk (1933) 3 – Jack Turner – Nightmare (1955) 4 – The Zanies – Russian Roulette (1962) 5 – Merv Griffin – House of Horrors (1962) 6 – Bob McFadden – Transylvania Polka (1960) 7 – Gong – Witch’s Song/ I Am Your Pussy (1973) 8 – Prince Buster – Hard Man fe Dead (1967) 9 – C.W. McCall – Night Rider (1975) 10 – Sonny Richard’s “Panics” With Cindy & Misty – The Voodoo Walk (1962) 11 – The Bollock Brothers – Drac’s Back (1986) 12 – Casual Three – Invisible Thing (1968) 13 – Thurl Ravenscroft – Grim Grinning Ghosts (1969) 14 – Ross Brunetti – Three Witches (2006) 15 – Jack Blanchard & Misty Morgan – The Voice (1972) 16 – The Holly Twins – Okeefenokee (1962) 17 – Steve King and the Echelons – Satan is Her Name (1962) 18 – Frenchy – Ribcage Mambo (1998) 19 – David Byrne – Horses (The Ghost Song) (1999) 20 – A dramatic reading by Courtney of “Warren Zevon’s ‘Werewolves of London’” by James Joyce by Anthony Sams 21 – Spike Jones – Two Heads (1959) 23 – The Kirby Stone Four – Raven (1957) 24 – Buddy Morrow and His Orchestra – The Raven (1960) 25 – Lord Buckley – The Raven (1956) 26 – Stonewall Jackson – Never More Quote The Raven (1970) 27 – Alan Parsons – The Raven (1976) 28 – Electric Frankenstein – Coolest Little Monster (1995) LISTEN/DOWNLOAD


Alan Stivelman – Witness Of Another World
Oct 21 2019 125 mins  
Alan Stivelman has created a film that shows a new way to examine the UFO subject and more importantly, the witness. Witness of Another World tells the story of Juan Pérez, an Argentinian gaucho who in 1978 at the age of 12, saw something for which he had no concept or explanation, and which continued to disturb him for the next 40 years. Stivelman contacted Pérez and began to delve into his story and his life, in a simple effort to understand what had happened and more importantly, to attempt to help Pérez in some way. The film was the result. In contrast with most UFO films and documentaries which treat the sighting or encounter as the main subject, Stivelman decided to concentrate on the experience of the witness and how his life was turned inside out. Pérez, who described his encounter as “neither beautiful nor ugly,” was ostracized from his family and community as a result of his experience. He experienced nightmares regularly and retreated to a remote farm to live alone with his issues. In our interview (Miguel Romero joined me as co-host) Stivelman describes what happened to Pérez, with many glimpses of issues that were either too complicated or left out of the film in the interest of telling the story or for privacy concerns at the time. What emerges is a story of someone who was unwillingly transformed into a man with gifts normally associated with a shamanic individual. Stivelman (along with Jacques Vallée, who appears prominently in the film, and who investigated the case in 1980) spoke at length with Pérez, letting him tell his story in his way. What emerged was essentially interpreted as an initiatory experience by the indigenous Guaraní people of Argentina and Peru, whom Stivelman contacted and arranged for Pérez to visit. The encounter provided him with a perspective from his ancestral roots and transformed him into a person who is more at peace with his sighting and who he has become. An in depth review by David Metcalfe. And another by RPJ/ Miguel. Watch/ order the film. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD




Jeff Kripal – Meaning vs. Mechanism
Sep 12 2019 136 mins  
Dr. Jeffrey J. Kripal holds the J. Newton Rayzor Chair in Philosophy and Religious Thought at Rice University. He is also the Associate Director of the Center for Theory and Research at the Esalen Institute. He has authored nine books on religion, popular culture and the paranormal, Including Kali’s Child, Authors of the Impossible, Mutants and Mystics, The Super Natural: A New Vision of the Unexplained (with Whitley Strieber), and most recently, The Flip: Epiphanies of Mind and the Future of Knowledge. Kripal is currently at the forefront of a revolution in the conversation between the sciences and the humanities. These two modalities of human knowledge are in need of reconciliation, since, as Kripal says in this interview, “a phenomena that can’t be studied without the scientific method does not mean it can’t be studied.” Dr. Kripal also described his personal crucible which set him on a path to understanding and eventually to the study of religion. An early spiritual crisis and revelations about his Catholic background and fellow students at a seminary launched him into a search for meaning. For too long, Kripal believes, the mechanism of the paranormal (i.e. causes, theories, and hard data collection) have taken center stage in our quest for answers. He sees the experience of the witness as a key to finding the bridge between science and spirit. We discussed the need for a study of the meaning of these narratives and how they change the witness or experiencer. This was a very enjoyable interview and a great way to return from the Radio Misterioso hiatus. Enjoy! LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD




Dr. Kevin Knuth – Relativistic Space Travel
Apr 21 2019 80 mins  
Dr. Kevin Knuth is an Associate Professor in the Department of Physics at the University at Albany. He is a former NASA research scientist having worked for four years at Ames Research Center in the Intelligent Systems Division designing artificial intelligence algorithms for astrophysical data analysis. On March 19th Dr. Knuth gave a presentation at the first Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference in Huntsville Alabama, sponsored by the Scientific Coalition for Ufology. I was there for the talk and knew immediately that he had to be on the show. Knuth’s paper, “Constraints on Societies Engaged in Relativistic Interstellar Travel,” used current relativistic theory to examine the issues faced by a race if they achieve near-light-speed travel. Chart from Knuth’s lecture. For anyone who can achieve this level of technology, Knuth says that many possibilities open up: At speeds approaching light, one could travel halfway across the galaxy in just about 110 days of experienced time on a ship, although, according to general relativity, the time experienced to those standing still would be so great that their civilization would have been dead for many thousands of years when upon return. Knuth points out that, if a civilization became nomadic spacefarers, they would essentially live for millions of years in galactic time, but experience a normal lifespan of 60-70 years on their ships. We spoke about the implications of this scenario for the UFO subject. We also delved into the changing attitude of science toward UFOs and related subjects, and how this has changed with new discoveries about exoplanets and scientists who are beginning to look at data more than entrenched beliefs in a search for greater understanding. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD







Eric Wargo – Time Loops and Retrocausality
Jan 15 2019 124 mins  
Eric Wargo has written perhaps one of the most important popular science books in the last year. Time Loops proposes that future events can affect the past, and provides detailed descriptions of experimental findings that suggest (some would take it a step further and say “prove”) that this concept, called “retrocausality,” is poised to make over physics and other sciences with its implications. Wargo proposes that dreams are the most basic way that we can experience a peek into the future, and we discussed the dreams and writings of Sigmund Freud as an early, well-documented and prime example of precognition, even though Wargo points out that Freud did not dare suggest that his (and his patients’) dreams foretold the future. When people apparently see events to come (such as the Titanic disaster and 9-11) in startling detail, Wargo says that there is ample evidence to suggest that what is experienced is not a sort of mental travel to the future, but a presentiment of our reaction when we learn about the event (such as reading or hearing about it in the news.) Wargo also suggested that precognition could be a tool that the human brain has evolved as a defense/ survival mechanism. There were many exciting and indeed controversial issues raised (as indeed they are in his book.) We may be looking at one aspect of a shift in how science is conducted, and that may be the most exciting thing of all. As Wargo said, “anomalies are building up, and that’s when paradigm shifts occur.” His blog is called The Nightshirt. Check it out. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD




2018 Weird Christmas Music Special with Courtney O’Hearn
Dec 23 2018 142 mins  
The tradition continues! Courtney and I have scoured the history of Holiday music yet again to bring you the best of the strangest. Here’s the lineup for our 2018 extravaganza. Enjoy and have a great New Year! 1 – Billy May – “Rudolph, The Red-Nosed Reindeer Mambo” 2 – Franklin McCormack – “I like Christmas” 3 – Pearl Bailey – “Five Pound Box of Money” 4 – Johnny Cash – “Ringing the Bells for Jim” 5 – Red Sovine – “Billy’s Christmas Wish” 6 – Steve Martin, Paul Simon, and Billy Joel – “Silver Bells” 7 – Augie Rios – “Donde Está Santa Claus?” 8 – Cheech Marin – “Santa Claus and his Old Lady” (excerpt) 9 – Tiny Tim – “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus” 10 – Cordell Jackson – “Beboppers’ Christmas” 11 – Patsy Raye & The Beatniks – “Beatnik’s Wish” 12 – Tony Rodelle Larson – “Cool Yule” 13 – The Mushroom Tabernacle Choir – “The 12 Drugs of Christmas” 14 – National Lampoon – “Gift Of The Nazis” Show Promo 15 – Frank Zappa – “Mormon Xmas Dance Report” 16 – Frank Zappa – “Mousie’s First Xmas” 17 – ActionAid Sweden – “Silent Night Goat Edition” 18 – Jackie Beat – “Menstral Krampus” 19 – Worm Quartet – “A Worm Quartet Christmas” 20 – New Order – “Ode to Joy” 21 – Peter Murphy and Tom Waits (impersonated by the band Porn Orchard) – “Christmas Sucks” 22 – Emerald Rose – “Santa Claus is Pagan Too” 23 – David Warin Solomons – “Io! Saturnalia (Hooray, it’s Saturnalia)” 24 – Paul and Storm – “Grandma’s Christmas Dinner” 25 – Guy Llama – “Timmy’s Christmas Bedtime Story” 26 – Fat Daddy Johnson – “Fat Daddy” 27 – Arlo Gurthrie – “Pause for Mr. Clause” 28 – Billy Nayer Show – “Must Be Santa” 29 – A Christmas message from Jack Blanchard read by Courtney 30 – Bounar – “Away in a Manger” 31 – UK Subs – “Hey Santa” LISTEN/ DIRECT LINK


David Perkins Pt. 2 – Cattle Mutilations as Gaia
Nov 29 2018 96 mins  
Another visit to David Perkins’ home, another interview. Perkins has been studying the mutilation phenomenon longer than perhaps anyone in the world. Starting in the mid-1970s, he was performing field investigations and writing up his findings. Noted mutilation researcher and author Chris O’Brien considers David his mentor and guru in the field (and the next post will feature both of them together in conversation.) This time, David decided to posit a premise that we could kick around: “The paranormal is a key to understanding consciousness and cattle mutilations are the key to understanding the paranormal.” We explored the permutations of this idea, and how science is beginning to recognize the role of the observer and the participation of consciousness in maps and conceptions of reality. In a wider sense, the Gaia hypothesis contends that the Earth can be seen as a conscious being, and David proposed that one of the ways that the planet is trying to wake us up to environmental damage is though an “unrecognized natural force” that may be behind the mutilation phenomenon. We also discussed mutilations and other aspects of the paranormal as “memeplexes” and how pervasive ideas begin, mutate, and propagate. Always fun to kick around radical ideas with a seasoned researcher and deep thinker such as David Perkins, but as he says, don’t worry, because “everything I say is a provisional theory.” LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD


Massimo Teodorani – The Hyperspace of Consciousness
Nov 12 2018 106 mins  
Dr. Massimo Teodorani is an astrophsyicist who uses his scientific expertise to examine issues of consciousness and its relation to the physical universe, as well as the implications of the observed properties of anomalous light phenomena (such as the Hessdalen lights) to the search for ways to create stable plasma states such as those found in fusion reactor research. He is involved in ongoing research about eruptive stars, extrasolar planets and SETI, and lectures regularly at the University of Bologna. We spoke about his original deep interest in the UFO issue and how almost all the books he read on the subject were so useless to him that he burned them. He traveled to the Hessdalen Valley in Norway and observed the mysterious lights, discovering that they apparently exhibited complicated and evolving structures (one even assumed a rectangular shape.) He mentioned that some plasma phenomena seem to exhibit elements of conscious control, and that consciousness may be an element of structure in the observable universe. These issues are discussed at length in his (now sadly out of print) book The Hyperspace of Consciousness. Dr. Teodorani is also interested in visionary states and how symbols and experiences from this realm seem to have encoded information that can be useful in practical ways. We spoke about this and ended with a discussion of flight and his music compositions. Teodorani is also an accomplished electronic musician who goes by the name of “Totemtag.” LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD




2018 Halloween Music Special with Courtney O’Hearn
Oct 31 2018 145 mins  
The annual Radio Misterioso Halloween shows are turning into quite the extravaganza. Courtney “The Ear” O’Hearn once again helped choose the cream of the strange crop for this year’s show. We packed over 100 years of the creepy and unusual into over 2 hours of music and commentary. Enjoy and Happy Halloween!! 1 – !Action Pact! – Gothic Party Time – (1983) 2 – American Quartet – Skeleton Rag – (1911) 3 – Leslie Sarony – Ain’t it Grand to be Blooming Well Dead (1932) 4 – Phil Harris – The Thing (1950) 5 – Salty Holmes – The Ghost Song (1954) 6 – Griz Green – Jam At the Mortuary (ca.1958-60) 7 – The Revels – Dead Man’s Stroll (1959) 8 – Screamin’ Jay Hawkins – There’s Something Wrong With You (1958) 9 – The Vampires – Natasha (from LP “At The Monster’s Ball”) (1964) 10 – Sheldon Allman – Children’s Day at the Morgue (1961) 11 – The Denims – The Ghost In Your House Is Me (1966) 12 – Jim Friss and the Valiants – Serpents and Spiders (ca. 1963) 13 – Boomer & Travis – Foul Owl On The Prowl (1967) 14 – Hans Conried and Alice Pearce – Mostly Ghostly (from LP “Monster Rally”) (1959) 15 – King Horror – Frankenstein (1970) 16 – Desmond Dekker – Dracula (1964) 17 – Bobby Bare – Marie Laveau (1974) 18 – Albert DeSalvo/ Dick Levitan – Strangler in the Night (1967) 19 – Audience reactions to seeing “The Exorcist” (1973) 20 – Tommy Scott & Scotty Lee – Exorcism (1975) 21 – Annelise Michel – Sounds of an actual exorcism (1976) 22 – Tili Tili Bom (Russian lullaby) (2007?) 23 – Excerpts from “The Bad Seed” (1956) 24 – The Fibonaccis – Leroy (1987) 25 – Vincent Price – How To Cook A Small Boy (cut up re-edit) (ca. 1990s) 26 – The Centimeters – I Want A Dead One (1999) 27 – Beanpole – Pumpkin Pickin’ Time (2018) 28 – The Shaggs – It’s Halloween (1969) LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD


Mike Clelland: The Owl Man
Oct 08 2018 129 mins  
Over the past few years, by design or just by his continuous delving into the connection between anomalous experiences with apparent nonhuman entities and a certain nocturnal avian, Mike Clelland has become informally known in UFO circles as “The Owl Man.” Mike was staying at the house for a few days and I didn’t want to pass up the opportunity to have him as an in-studio guest. He was in town to give a lecture on ultralight backpacking (which was knows enough about to have written an authoritative book.) For the first 11 minutes, we actually talked about that subject as well as how to construct in igloo before getting into the subjects at hand. We opened with a few little-known facts about Kenneth Arnold (who had a pet owl and was a huge fan of Charles Fort, and experienced mysterious orbs floating around his home.) He told me the little known issue that many, if not all abductees have a specific number that is special to them, and that is apparently “assigned” during their experiences. We talked about problems with abduction research, of which I am a little more critical than Mike, but then I am not in the middle of that world, and it was valuable to hear his perspective. Our mutual friend, the late Mac Tonnies, suggested that Mike visit as many researchers as possible and see how they differed in their approaches. Among people with unexplained experiences, this is rare. Mike also discussed his own years of anguish while he tried to figure out what was happening to him, and how the ultimate answer to the enigma may simply be the reconciliation of the personal experience, even if there is no answer to be found for UFO researchers. Mike’s newest book is Stories From The Messengers. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD



Charles Topham: Psychic Questing and Apported Objects
Sep 16 2018 131 mins  
Charles Topham has nothing to sell, no book to promote, not even a website. He simply has an interesting story with implications for all who look to the interactive relationship between human activity and consciousness and the vast subject we call “the paranormal.” A few months ago, Miguel Romero (aka “Red Pill Junkie”) wrote to tell me about Charles, and his story of “psychic questing,” which is a concept that is virtually unknown outside of the UK. The basic story is that from the late 1970s to sometime in the mid-to-late 1990s, small, private groups in Britain began meeting to use seances, ouija boards, and other methods in order to locate hidden objects of apparent historical importance, such as swords, precious stones, and documents. The practice is intimately connected with the rich history of English magic and folklore. Miguel served as co-interviewer as Charles described his interest in UFOs and other out-there subjects from an early age, including apparent communications with non-humans by radio (a’la contactee George Hunt Williamson.) In the early 1990s, he formed a group with a few friends and began their own questing sessions, eventually establishing contact with an apparent entity calling itself “Addie,” who self-described as a young teenage girl of the Victorian era. Addie began “apporting” objects to the group which responded to the whims of questions from different members, such as photos, books, divination cards, and even precious stones. When I asked Charles early on if there was any chance of fraud, he said “I didn’t see you there,” which was his way of saying “From outside the confines of the group, of course.” We discussed these issues and the fact that hoaxing or faking is an intimate part of much of these phenomena, but does not explain all of it, a concept that is admittedly difficult for some to accept. I choose to listen without making sharp judgments. Things just seem more interesting that way, and whatever your beliefs, we hope you find Charles’ story worth hearing. Image above: A Egyptian divination card that Charles says was apported during one of their sessions with “Addie,” and which recently formed the nexus of a personal synchronicity. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD


Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp: Hunt For the Skinwalker
Sep 10 2018 114 mins  
Jeremy Corbell’s upcoming film based on George Knapp’s groundbreaking book of the same name was the subject of our interview for this edition of Radio Misterioso. The film has generated a great deal of buzz because of the controversial subject. We went into depth about the history of the property known as “Skinwalker Ranch” and the various owners, incidents, research and high strangeness that have been swirling around the location since the early 1990s. The takeaway from the years of research conducted at the site seems to indicate that there is no one theory or mechanism that can account for all the strange activity observed. From cattle mutilations, eerie lights, shadowy figures, and paraphysical animals, to events and activities that seemed to trigger the phenomena, Corbell and Knapp report that no data-driven report or columns of numbers could solve the puzzle. My guests also took time to answer some of the rumors that they say have gotten out of hand, such as stories of human experimentation and the idea that anything physical was ever found that could be examined in a laboratory. We discussed the little-known debate between the scientists who were originally assigned to do the first systematic research at the property, and their regrets about roads not taken. We also spoke about the history of government-sponsored research in the area, as well as the new owner of the property and his efforts to continue the work started by former owner Robert Bigelow. I believe that you will hear things in this interview that have not been discussed elsewhere or previously. LISTEN/ DOWNLOAD




Chris Lambright – X Descending, Paul Bennewitz, and the Air Force
Jul 29 2018 135 mins  
I finally met Chris Lambright at one of the Dulce Base conferences in New Mexico this year. Chris has been a researcher since the late 1970s, and is one of those people who do some of the most interesting and important work in the background of the field, away from the celebrity status and TV shows, which is where I think some of the real insights can be found. Chris has seen the infamous film from controversial UFO researcher Ray Stanford which is claimed to depict one of the clearest images ever captured of an unidentified flying object, and says that whatever it was bears a close resemblance to what a man named Paul Bennewitz was filming at Kirtland Air Force Base beginning in 1979. The Bennewitz story is the main subject of my 2006 book Project Beta. When there is new or overlooked information on the story, I am interested. Chris says that tbe object in Stanford’s film closely resembles the work of scientist Leik Myrabo and his work in laser propulsion research, and says that Stanford received a visit from Myrabo, who looked at his evidence with interest before starting his project. We also discussed the timeline of events in the Bennewitz story and how the picture presented in my book may need to be slightly revised based on Lambright’s findings as reported in his book X Descending. Chris is also one of the few people I have met who actually knew and spoke to Bennewitz . He also describes a strange interaction with infamous UFO researcher/ personality John Lear. Some of the scientists Lambright has uncovered in his research have connections to recent developments in such projects as To The Stars. The interview will be continued! DIRECT LINK


Joshua Cutchin – Thieves In The Night
Jul 14 2018 126 mins  
Joshua Cutchin‘s new book is his best yet, and deeply examines the ancient folklore surrounding children who are supposedly taken from their homes and parents by denizens of the “fairy realm.” Don’t make the mistake that he believes in a literal interpretation. He makes this clear in the first interview he gave for the book. Throughout the interview, one of the themes (as in the book) is that there are very definite parallels between this phenomenon and the “hybrid” lore of UFO abduction literature. These comparisons have of course been made before, but Cutchin’s book also points out the similarities between fairy lore and Bigfoot encounters, as well as the recent focus on wilderness disappearances (think Missing 411.) We spoke about the “changeling” lore, which holds that children are taken and replaced with a fairy child, which appears weak, sickly, or otherwise “strange” to the rest of the family. Josh pointed out that this tradition was often used as an excuse to ostracize those who were deemed strange or otherwise useless to the community, all too often resulting in cases of infanticide. He hastens to add, however, that we “do the phenomenon a disservice” by reducing it to mundane explanations. The true nature of this tradition can be best approached by detailed and careful study, such as can be found in Cutchin’s new work, Thieves In The Night: A Brief History of Supernatural Child Abductions. DIRECT LINK


David Perkins – The Long View of Mutilations
Jun 26 2018 137 mins  
David Perkins (AKA “Izzy”) is known to many as Chris O’Brien’s longtime research partner (and “mentor” as O’Brien also refers to him.) Perkins began his interest in the cattle and livestock mutilation mystery from the beginnings of the phenomenon (ca. 1975) in southern Colorado. In the over 40 years he has looked at this strange and at times horrifying issue, he has not come to any hard conclusions about what is going on, although he does have specific ideas about a nexus of all the issues connecting the disparate aspects of this puzzling conundrum. At first, he thought it was some government program, because of all the helicopters that kept turning up in reports. He has never really considered the UFO/ alien explanation, since the facts he uncovered proved it was too narrow. During the program, we discussed the concept of a “memeplex,” which is a group of ideas and beliefs that support and play off each other, and which can increase our understanding of how the problem has been compounded by weak explanations and an eagerness to reach a conclusion. Perkins also considers the mutilation mystery as an example of an “ideoplastic” problem as he believes that it responds to expectations, culture, and researcher bias. He believes an important path towards understanding can be achieved by thinking of it as a manifestation of “unrecognized forces of nature,” which combine in a way that indicates some sort of directed, conscious purpose that is as yet inscrutable to humans. He compares it to the Gaia hypothesis, in a way that makes Nature itself an active participant, as if we are being sent an undeniable message about how we treat and use domestic animals, and our complicity in the degradation of the environment. We also talked about how the study of animal mutilations has driven many researchers off the deep end or forced them out of the field altogether, although Perkins concludes that his experience has been “one of the greatest educational experiences I could ever imagine.” David contributed one of his own musical compositions for the outro music, recorded only two days before our interview, which took place on his backyard patio in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Photo: Perkins struggles with the ancient concept of a pay phone on a Santa Fe street corner. DIRECT LINK




Aaron Gulyas – Living the Saucer Life
Jun 06 2018 77 mins  
In this short but info-rich interview, Aaron and I started with a discussion about his excellent podcast “The Saucer Life,” which is one promising direction that podcasting seems to be heading: short, informative, and easy to understand for those not familiar with the material. Aaron is a professor of history and has a strong interest in the social history of the UFO subject. It’s always fascinating to examine what kinds of people gather around the topic and why. We delved into the period of the later 1980s and early 1990s, which Aaron calls the beginning of the “endless commercialization” of ufology. How does information get released by those (supposedly) in the know and how is it consumed, how is it used, and what myths are created and evolved? Along these lines, we recalled the early days of the Art Bell program and how that period laid a lot of the groundwork for the culture as we see it today. Aaron does not recall ever having any sort of sighting of anything unidentified, but he mentioned that his sister remembers looking out of the window when she was four years old and seeing what looked like a big-headed entity, which bothers him a bit! We mulled over why the extraterrestrial hypothesis is popular and has been since the beginning of the modern era. Finally, we discussed the intersection between the cultures of conspiracy and UFOs. Takeaway quote from Aaron: “Bad conspiracy writing answers every question.” I would argue that goes for Saucer writing as well. Above: Aaron during the 2018 Esotericon in Halifax, Nova Scotia. DIRECT LINK



Shannon Taggart – Spiritualist Photography
May 23 2018 117 mins  
Shannon Taggart is a professional photographer who also captures images of the ineffable world of spiritualism. A visit to the Spiritualist community of Lilydale in upstate New York and an incredibly specific psychic reading started her on a years-long quest to interface with and photograph the people of the town, their beliefs, and their practices. The experiences and pictures she was getting surprised Taggart and blurred the lines between documentation, objectivity, and art. Unexpected lights, images, and “mistakes” in her photos called into question whether she was really just a chronicler of the rituals or was beginning to act as a participant and partner. For those used to photography as a form of pure representation, this interview may be either a revelation or an exercise in frustration. As Shannon said during the interview, “photography is a trickster medium.” Before the show, Shannon described her frustration with explaining her attitude towards the paranormal and encapsulated a perfect approach with the phrase “I take this seriously, but not literally.” This should be a commandment to those who pursue an understanding of the unexplained. We discussed the history and amazingly parallel development of photography and spiritualism: the first public seances were held less than a mile from the first Kodak facility in New York state within a few years of each other. Taggart also described her working method and how it allows for random events and results to enter the process – which may allow some effects that are meaningful to the subjects of her work. She recently attended a seminar which championed a return to the original methods of spirit photography, even the use of vintage equipment and rituals. She also described one Spiritualist who is using a movement tracker from an X-Box to achieve better results. She also described ectoplasm and her attempts to document this controversial phenomenon. Finally, we discussed the crossover between her world and UFO study, and how a creative approach may be used in concert with a scientific mindset to explore new areas of research. DIRECT LINK


George Hansen – The Trickster, the Paranormal, and Liminality
May 09 2018 116 mins  
George Hansen is an almost mythical figure amongst those who have a deep interest in the issues discussed on this show. His groundbreaking book The Trickster and the Paranormal is required reading for anyone who wishes to tackle these subjects in a meaningful way. What Hansen proposes is what we call “paranormal” is so fraught with forces and traditions that mean to derail and deceive us at every turn, that we cannot wade into this quagmire without realizing all aspects of the issues that await us. This is not because it is necessarily evil, but because the tradition of the Trickster archetype is present in all cultures (whether some want to admit it or not) and appears to provide a balance to the more structured aspects of culture and even our own psyches by introducing randomness and novelty. In a wide-ranging talk, we discussed the trickster archetype, how it addresses inequality in cultures, and how excluded elements (such as the LGBT community) are often imbued with this influence. George tells us about his years of research in parapsychology and the history of such groups over the last century. He also talked about his friendship with author John Keel and his New York Fortean Society. He discussed the world of stage magic and how many magicians are not doctrinaire skeptics, and actually endorse some forms of psychic phenomena as currently unexplained. We also touched on how UFO study ignores the trickster at its peril. There is so much more to unpack in this free-ranging and educational conversation from one of the true originals in the field. DIRECT LINK




Rosemary Ellen Guiley – Pan-Paranormal Issues
Apr 09 2018 113 mins  
Rosemary Ellen Guiley thinks she “came out of the womb writing” and enjoys the process of producing books, which is probably the first time any author has told me this. Guiley is a highly-regarded paranormal researcher with 65 books to her name, that range from encyclopedias of saints and angels, to the divination technique of scrying, to witchcraft, and of course, UFOs. Her new book (co-written with Michael Brein) is entitled The Road to Strange: UFOs, Aliens and High Strangeness. The book features first person accounts of dramatic UFO encounters and includes not only the sighting accounts themselves, but more importantly, the witness’ impressions and emotions during and after, which I believe is very important. We talked about this aspect of emerging research, and how this might be changing UFO study. We discussed the differences between male and female investigators, and how witnesses react to both. We also brought up the recent controversy over the Chicago mothman sightings and how investigators occasionally seem to enjoy fighting with each other more than the actual research they are supposedly doing. We also talked about her work with an abductee research group (FREE) and how the encounters seem to almost always transform the consciousness of the witness. We delved into the shadow people phenomenon and issues with ouija boards (which is the subject of at least two of her books) and the techniques used in scrying. There was some light debate and discussion on the extraterrestrial hypothesis, and Guiley’s idea that observed alien entities are most likely inter-dimensional beings. DIRECT LINK


Dean Radin – Can Science Examine Magic?
Apr 09 2018 117 mins  
I have been following the work of Dr. Dean Radin for over 20 years. In that time, I have been privileged to interview him twice. His new book Real Magic will be released just after this show posts and for me, it is his best to date. Real Magic looks at the history of magic in western thought and practice, and suggests that we can legitimately examine issues and concepts formerly considered forbidden by science, such as manifesting thoughts, fulfilling wishes, and considering the relationship of consciousness to what we know as the physical world. Radin almost became a concert violinist, but luckily for some of us, he decided to go into the sciences. We spoke about this artistic background and how it affects his research. As his career began to track into the study of parapsychology, Radin realized that there was (and still is) a great deal of prejudice in the academic and scientific communities surrounding the study of psychic phenomena and especially “magic,” although he senses that this is slowly changing. As he points out in the interview, if a system of inquiry does not explain everything in its world, then it is wrong or needs revision. We discussed what might happen if magical effects were commonplace (he thinks it could be more dangerous than the atomic bomb) and the idea that any other intelligence in the universe may be waiting for us to make some sort of telepathic contact before communicating with us at all. Radin also answered the question of “if we can control reality, why can’t I manifest gold and diamonds?” He also presented a model of the universe based on information and consciousness, and how to treat an individual who experiences psi functioning firsthand, and has their worldview turned upside down. DIRECT LINK











David Metcalfe – What Lies Beyond the Shining Saucer?
Feb 16 2018 178 mins  
David Metcalfe is a researcher, writer and multimedia specialist focusing on the interrelationship of media, culture, and consciousness. We began the conversation with his deep study of the Santa Muerte belief and its role as an alternative to people who feel that their needs and lives are not in accord with traditional religions. There was a nice segue into the role of mediums of communication and its effect on the message and structure of belief. We also spent some time on the idea that a UFO encounter often permanently changes the mental state of the witness. We examined the role of the researcher and how much they can be embedded with their subjects and still maintain sufficient objectivity, and whether they should. Then we discussed Metcalfe’s feeling that Jung’s philosophy of alchemy is limiting, because it leaves out important physical aspects of the alchemical process. We thought that this might be relevant to recent discussions of UFO “alloys” or artifacts. David’s phone ran out of juice and we arranged to finish up at a later date. Of course, we went another hour. I asked about his statement he wrote to me that he “had no idea what lay beyond the shining saucer” in terms of an inspiration and catalyst for personal change. He told me about the work of Conan The Barbarian creator Robert E Howard and his claim that he channeled his story material, much like Richard Shaver. We spent much of the last hour on the motivational speaker/ guru Tony Robbins and his intriguing world, and ended with a few minutes on the legendary self-help book Psycho Cybernetics. In all, a very fun and detailed 3 hours. Image is original art by Dave. DIRECT LINK


Anti-Valentine’s Day Music Show with Courtney O’Hearn
Feb 13 2018 128 mins  
My longtime friend Courtney is becoming our resident weird music guru. Just in time for the holiday, we present our “anti-Valentine’s Day” show, featuring murder ballads, breakup songs, songs of frustration and unrequited love, and pure bitching about the opposite sex from all sides of the fence, as well as “answer songs” which poke fun at more well-known hits. Just to show we weren’t complete killjoys and full of unrepentant bitterness, Courtney chose to end the show on a hopeful note. As usual, we do not censor, and some of the lyrics are not meant for tender ears. Harry Nilsson – You’re Breaking My Heart Peter Cook – Bedazzled Aaron Neville – Over You Porter Wagoner – Lonelyville Louvin Brothers – Knoxville Girl Shirley Collins – The Oxford Girl Roger Bailey – Did She Break Your Heart? Joe Tex – Pneumonia Gene Goza – These Spurs (Are Made For Ridin’) Teddy & Darrel – These Boots Are Made for Walking Hunx and His Punx – You Don’t Like Rock ‘n’ Roll Roy Clark – Right Or Left At Oak Street Jake Thackray – On Again Josephine XV – I’m Happy They Took You Away, Ha-Haa! Earth Girl Helen Brown – Story Of An Earth Girl Red Ingle and the Natural Seven – (I Love You) For Seventy Mental Reasons Bull Moose Jackson – Big Ten Inch Barnes and Barnes – Pussy Whipped B.A. Johnston – Everyone You Date After Me Is a Sack of Shit Nora Keyes – Look At You, You’re Ugly Betty Davis – Anti Love Song Singing Sadie – Let’s Call ‘er Lil Randy Newman – Pants Ivor Cutler – Beautiful Cosmos DIRECT LINK






Adam Gorightly – Flying Saucer Contactees In Depth
Jan 21 2018 55 mins  
(cover design by Red Pill Junkie) Gorightly and I are finishing up a detailed chronicle of UFO contact personalities and cults (entitled A Is For Adamski) which will be released in the next couple of months. It will be a comprehensive overview featuring many previously unpublished and little-seen photos and images. Since Gorightly was in town, we did a “pop-up” show (which are meant to be recorded and posted the same day.) We started off discussing a little-known and fascinating artist named Paulina Peavy, who said she channeled an alien who helped her with her artwork (see above.) We played a few minutes of her January, 1958 appearance on the Long John Nebel radio show, where she went into a trance and channeled what she said were her spirit guides. We also recalled the strange case of Karl Hunrath and Wilbur Wilkinson, who disappeared in 1953 after renting an aircraft from the Los Angeles area, after saying they were going to a remote location to meet up with space people. Gorightly then brought up a little-known character named Raymond Broshears, who was on the fringes of both UFO fandom and the JFK assassination, as well as a close associate of contactee Frank Stranges. We ended with an examination of the 1965 John Reeves case, where the witness claimed that a robot came out of a flying saucer, took pictures of him, and left a paper with strange symbols on it, which was later quickly deciphered by government cryptographers to read: “Planet Mars- Are you coming home soon- We miss you very much- Why did you stay away too long.” The one-to-one relationship of the symbols to the English alphabet was a good clue that source of the message was a little closer to Earth than Reeves claimed. DIRECT LINK




Weird Holiday Music Special with Courtney O’Hearn
Dec 24 2017 136 mins  
After our successful Halloween music show, Courtney and I planned this extravaganza. We both cannot take this holiday season seriously, and it shows in our selection of mostly disrespectful tunes. One is VERY disrespectful and very NSFW or mixed company (1:51:46 to 1:57:09.) Enjoy and happy whatever you have! Here’s the list: Root Boy Slim and the Sex Change Band – Christmas at K-Mart The Count – (All I Want For Christmas Is) My Two Front Teeth The Residents – Santa Dog Jeff St Pierre and Phillip Antoniades – Rubber Clause Is Coming To Town Shittyflute – Frosty The Snowman Portsmouth Sinfonia – Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy Art Carney – Santa and the Doodle-Li-Boop Stan Freberg – The Night Before Christmas Paddy Roberts – Merry Christmas You Suckers Homer and Jethro – Nuttin’ For Christmas Actually Huizenga – Krampus Christmas Mae West – Merry Christmas Baby Jingle Cats – White Christmas in Hell (excerpt) mojochronic – Rudolph (You Don’t Have To Put On The Red Light) The Christmas Chids – Christmas Helmet Yogi Yorgesson – Rusty Chevrolet Lou Monte – Dominick The Italian Christmas Donkey Song Robert Smiegel – Tingles the Christmas Tension Heather Noel – Santa Came On A Nuclear Missile Jack Blanchard – A Weird Little Christmas GG Allin – The 12 Days of Christmas (Skip if easily offended!) Tom Lehrer – Hanukkah in Santa Monica The Monkees – Riu Riu Chiu Shari Lewis and Lambchop – Some Things For Christmas Courtney’s youtube holiday music channel is here. DIRECT LINK



Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka – American Cosmic
Dec 20 2017 98 mins  
Dr. Diana Walsh-Pasulka has just finished what will likely be a groundbreaking book on the UFO subject, which will be released in the spring of 2018. American Cosmic tells the story of her journey from religious scholarship to a seat in the forefront of some of the most groundbreaking research and thought in the subject. She has been embedded with a few researchers who believe that they have anomalous artifacts that can be dissected to reveal secrets that have real-world applications in aeronautical research. This is of course along the same lines as the recent announcement in the New York Times by the members of the To The Stars group. Some of this research dovetails with a recent trip Diana took to the Vatican libraries and Observatory for documents pertaining to the phenomenon of levitating saints. We spoke about a car trip in New Mexico, where she and a friend were blindfolded so they wouldn’t know where they were going, and then were shown one of these strange artifacts in situ. We also discussed the effect of technology and how it has taken the place of religion for many people, as well as the problem with UFO data mining. Dr. Pasulka also mentions an essay by philosopher Carl Rashcke entitled “UFOs: Ultraterrestrial Agents of Cultural Deconstruction” (which is not online, but I discussed in a post from 2009.) In the last few minutes of the show. we spoke about the recent release of the newest Star Wars film and how it resonates with her work, as well as with all of us. Errata: at 11:05 – Dr. Pasulka says “Post-industrial revolution.” She meant “Pre-industrial revolution.” DIRECT LINK










Weird Halloween Music Special with Courtney O’Hearn
Oct 27 2017 122 mins  
Courtney is a long-time friend who shares an interest in strange music, and we’ve been pushing each other to discover ever more wonderful and obscure sounds and ideas for many years. We gathered lists of our favorite out-there Halloween songs for this show, and I think we came up with some gems. From yodeling ghosts to folk songs about werewolves to the obligatory songs about the Devil, we ranged over a multitude of themes and a range of about 70 years of history. Enjoy! Rusty Diamond – Skellykins Allan Sherman – My Son The Vampire The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band – Look Out There’s a Monster Coming Patsy Montana – The Yodeling Ghost Bob Ridgley – The Way Out Mummy Fran Allison – Punky Punkin Micheal Hurley – The Werewolf Zeke Manners & His Swing Billies – Mr. Ghost Goes To Town Tiny Tim – People Are Strange Don Hinson – Riboflavin-Flavored, Non-Carbonated, Polyunsaturated Blood Vampires Of Dartmoore – Dance of the Vampires Rod Willis – The Cat The Surapon Alias Fox – Nang Maew Pee (The Ghost Of Cat) The Deviants – Billy The Monster Mick Farren – Bela Lugosi Jack Blanchard – Dance of the Living Dead Chickens Kongress – Eyes of the Witness The Rattles – The Witch Roky Erikson – Don’t Shake Me Lucifer Tool – Die Eier Von Satan Vulgar Deli – In League with Satan Leslie Fish – Carmen Miranda’s Ghost The Voluptuous Horror of Karen Black – I Believe in Halloween DIRECT LINK




Susan Demeter St. Clair and Robert Brandstetter – Reframing the Debate II
Oct 10 2017 104 mins  
Another in our occasional discussions of the book UFOs: Reframing the Debate was conducted at a park and in a pub in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. I was visiting for a few days and both Susan and Robert were amazing hosts and made sure I had no reason to be alone or bored. We delved into the merits of the criticisms of the book and how our colleague Micah Hanks has called for renewed attention to altered states of consciousness and how this is important to the study of anomalistic experiences. We also talked about the difference between an unexpected, sudden experience and one that might be considered an “altered state.” Continuing the witness-centered theme, we debated the merits of the internal vs. the external narrative of a weird encounter and how language and telling the story changes the initial experience. I was challenged to defend my co-creation hypothesis and how that might change with multiple witnesses. We also looked at the idea that strange encounters may either be encoded in the DNA across generations, or give individuals a propensity for this. We ended with a back-and-forth on liminal states and Susan shared some of her own. This was a very fruitful discussion at the sort of high level that always excites me. Apologies for the occasional quality issues in the first 43 minutes. I tried to filter out all the wind noise, because I felt this interview was too important to lose. DIRECT LINK











James Clarkson – The End Of UFO Study as We Know It
Jul 27 2017 123 mins  
This year during the Roswell festival, I was privileged to have dinner with James Clarkson and his wife Joanne. I found them charming and intelligent, and with a lot to say about the state of UFO research. Clarkson recently quit his post as Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) State Director for Washington. In this interview, we discussed what caused this break, and what might be done to reform the organization, if that is even possible at this point. Clarkson believes that the board of directors is no longer dedicated to the “scientific study of UFOs of the benefit of mankind,” and has changed into primarily a moneymaking operation. He also recounted years of neglect of members who gave much time, effort and money to the cause, only to be ignored and unrecognized. Here is their 2015 tax filing referred to during the program. Clarkson also took the time to describe a completely crazy case that he was assigned to follow up due to bad filtering from headquarters, and a surreal visit to the JZ Knight/ Ramtha compound. Knight is part of the MUFON “Inner Circle” and may be its most generous supporter. Clarkson also talked about his look to the future with a newer, smaller organization which he says will be based on the idea of “UFO investigation with integrity, discretion, and sensitivity.” We also took time to speak on his research into the amazing story of June Crain, who worked at Wright Patterson Air Force Base during the Roswell incident. Photo: Sitting next to Clarkson at the 2009 UFO Crash Retrieval Conference (lower center.) DIRECT LINK






Lon Strickler – MUFON Scandal, the Chicago Mothman, and Smelly Ghosts
Jun 13 2017 125 mins  
During the upset in the ranks of MUFON a couple of weeks ago, I noticed that researcher Lon Strickler had taken the lead in exposing the strange and vicious racist comments of one of the organization’s inner circle. We started the show with a discussion of the issues surrounding this defining period. Strickler is better known as an investigator and chronicler of all manner of strange crypto and paranormal phenomena though, and we launched into a discussion of the recent spate of “mothman”-like encounters in the Chicago area as Lon listed the particulars of many sightings. I didn’t know that there was a history of interest by the Federal authorities in Bigfoot sightings, but my guest recalled his own experience in 1981 when he saw the legendary “Sykesville Monster” and described an apparent rapid response team that took over the site after telling him to leave. I also asked Lon about his interest in the Pennsylvania Powwow, which is a folk healing tradition that traces its origins to colonial America. We moved on to the bizarre 2002 disappearance of Todd Sees in rural Pennsylvania and Strickler’s theory that it is a UFO abduction which ended in death, and which may have been covered up by the local authorities. We ended with an account of a ghost sighting in which Strickler was left with a cloying and persistent odor of honeysuckle on his body after a close encounter with an apparent spirit entity. The smell stayed with him for a week and drove his wife and co-workers away. DIRECT LINK









Nick Redfern – Throwin’ More Rocks At Roswell
May 15 2017 108 mins  
In 2005, Nick Redfern released Bodysnatchers in the Desert to a storm of shock, controversy, and whining. It took the Roswell story and turned it on its head be suggesting that the events of 1947 were caused by the failure of diabolical experiment in aerospace medicine using balloons, advanced aircraft, and unfortunate human test subjects. Last week, the sequel to that book The Roswell UFO Conspiracy: Exposing A Shocking And Sinister Secret was released. The volume takes the information presented in the first title and provides more evidence to suggest that human experimentation and use of sinister Japanese and Nazi experiments on “endurance” was utilized and covered up by the U.S. in the years just after WWII. Nick talked about his original sources for the story, how it would have been highly unlikely for them to have collaborated, and more supporting evidence that has come to light in the last 12 years.  We also discussed how the facts of what was reported, or at least has become part of the story (the indestructible metal, the hieroglyphs, and the debris field) may have become confused or conflated by witnesses and investigators over the years. The final word may never be forthcoming on this “creation myth” of modern UFO lore, but as we discussed on the program: 1) We have to look at the possibilities of what was likely and at least consider that there may be a mundane (albeit distasteful) story behind the Roswell incident, and 2) The UFO research community has hung too much of their modern credibility on this case, and this may make it impossible to look at it objectively. Photo: Nick in Roswell, 2007. DIRECT LINK


Susan Demeter-St. Clair – Witness-Centered Anomalies Study
May 03 2017 128 mins  
Susan Demeter-St.Clair came to my attention by way of the forthcoming book wherein we are both featured authors. Demeter-St.Clair argues that the high-strange aspects of UFO (and other) encounters, in addition to perceived psychic phenomena are the path to a more rich understanding of this part of human experience. Susan can trace her own weird experiences back to childhood, and we spoke about her sightings of little figures that resembled elves, and her later perceptions of a wolf entity that seemed to comfort her. The encounters ended when she became a teenager and then came flooding back in the form of an unequivocal UFO sighting when she was 23 years old. She feels that this background helps her when interviewing witnesses, since she can empathize with their plight and put people at ease so more of their story can be told. We both agreed that researchers need to engage with the phenomenon in some way for any progress to be made. She lamented the ghost research community’s fixation on the “DPH” (Dead People Hypothesis) which she thinks is just as limiting as the ETH (ExtraTerrestrial Hypothesis) in the search for understanding and possible breakthroughs. We also talked about the late Jim Moseley and loss of his sense of humor in the UFO field. We also agreed that peer review in UFO study seems to consist mostly of online troll attacks. Photo: Susan in Los Angeles at an exhibit on Alchemy. DIRECT LINK











5 • 1 Ratings

liminalunderstan Apr 14 2020
A very intellectual approach to the paranormal. Long, in depth interviews. Casual, but meaningful, conversational format.