With the worst fears about the Trump administration having been realised, Saul and Patrick digest the disturbing realities of this weeks news.
Not only has Trump's administration cut Ukraine and Europe out of the start of the peace talks with Russia in Saudi Arabia, but Trump himself has now doubled down on his earlier
concessions to Russia. And top of that falsely labelled Zelensky a dictator, and wrongly blamed Ukraine for starting the war in the first place.
Joining them to discuss these latest developments and where the UK and Europe goes next, they speak to defence analyst and veteran war reporter Robert Fox.
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