The Data Chief

Join host Cindi Howson as she dives into the critical topic of diversity and inclusion in the data and AI space with Roisin McCarthy, founder of Women in Data UK, and Robin Sutara, Field CDO at Databricks. They discuss the challenges of recruiting and retaining diverse talent, the importance of male allies, and the role of AI in creating a more inclusive workforce

Key Moments:

• The Power of Community: Building a Network for Women in Data: Roisin McCarthy shares the story behind founding Women in Data, inspired by her mother's advice to "put up or shut up." She highlights the organization's growth to 80,000 members in 120 countries and emphasizes the importance of male allies in achieving gender representation. (2:41)
• From Apache Helicopters to Chief Data Officer: A Non-Traditional Journey: Robin Sutara shares her unique career path, starting with repairing Apache helicopters in the US Army and eventually becoming a CDO. She discusses the challenges she faced as a woman in tech and the importance of fixing systemic issues to achieve equity. (6:19)
• The Talent Crunch: Addressing the Data Skills Gap: The conversation shifts to the shortage of qualified individuals in data and technology. Roisin McCarthy highlights the need for organizations to rethink their recruitment strategies and remove unnecessary barriers to entry. (11:31)
• Closing the Pay Gap: A Shared Responsibility: Roisin and Robin discuss the persistent pay gap in the data industry and the risk of it widening further. They emphasize the importance of both individual and systemic action to achieve pay parity. (20:46)
• Generative AI: A Double-Edged Sword for Recruiting: Roisin McCarthy shares a cautionary tale about the potential for bias in AI-generated job descriptions. She stresses the importance of human oversight and highlights Women in Data's work to develop technology that removes bias from job descriptions. (46:30)
• The Future of Data and AI: Embracing Innovation and Inclusion: Robin Sutara expresses excitement about the potential of AI to simplify complex tasks and unlock the power of data. She emphasizes the importance of leveraging technology to innovate and create a more equitable and inclusive data workforce. (49:22)

Key Quotes:

• "We simply do not have enough people coming into the industry. Regardless of gender, let's take that away. We do not have enough qualified individuals coming into the workplace in data and technology." - Roisin McCarthy
• "We can't affect the change that this mission is so focused on reaching if we don't have everybody at the table." - Roisin McCarthy
• "Hire talent that's not currently in the ecosystem, bring in people with a different perspective or a different experience or a different capability. You can teach them technology, right?" - Robin Sutara
• "If I start 20% behind my male cohorts, doesn't matter how much you reward on meritocracy, I will never catch up." - Robin Sutara
• "GenAI tech is there for so many things as to Robin's point to really take some of the heavy lifting out. But when we're looking to build inclusive teams, diverse, inclusive teams, I think that we just need a bit of a sense check and ensuring that we've got the human in the loop." - Roisin McCarthy

Mentions

• Women in Data Podcast
• Databricks Blog

Guest Bios

Roisin McCarthy

As a result of her own efforts, over two thousand people have moved into more satisfying roles and dozens of teams put together. Furthermore, she has managed a successful team of professional recruiters which, over the years, has placed thousands more. Today, she runs the successful recruitment firm, Datatech Analytics, and is the co-founder of the ground-breaking initiative, Women in Data UK. Over the past 19 years, McCarthy has been responsible for building some of the UK’s most cutting-edge data teams and has facilitated some of the most influential and successful careers in this sector, building relationships, influence and firm friendships along the way. McCarthy is seen as a thought-leader and an authority on careers, team development and talent acquisition in the field. Her unrivalled network of contacts, commitment to the data and analytics community and her unwavering passion for building strong, skilled teams is what makes her so unique.

Robin Sutara

From repairing Apache helicopters near the Korean DMZ to the corporate battlefield, Robin has demonstrated success in navigating the high stress, and sometimes combative, complexities of data-led transformations. She has consulted with hundreds of organisations on data strategy, data culture, and building diverse data teams. Robin has had an eclectic career path in technical and business functions with more than two decades in tech companies, including Microsoft and Databricks. She also has achieved multiple academic accomplishments from her juris doctorate to a masters in law to engineering leadership. From her first technical role as an entry-level consumer support engineer to her current role in the C-Suite, Robin supports creating an inclusive workplace and is the current chair of Women in Data North America Committee. She was also recognized in 2023 as a Top 20 Women in Data and Tech, as well as DataIQ 100 Most Influential.

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