Mar 24 2025 53 mins
Rebroadcast note: With everything happening in the world right now, we're taking a quick break from our miniseries to reshare this episode about layoffs. Because sometimes large layoffs are necessary, but they shouldn't be the norm and those being let go should still be treated like humans, rather than a line on a spreadsheet. If you listened the first time around, share this episode with someone in your network who might need it (especially if they're a government employee 😬). We'll be back in two weeks with a brand new episode.
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We won’t mince words: Layoffs suck. They heap very real stress and chaos onto very real people’s lives. And as we’ve seen reported lately, big waves of layoffs are hitting several companies—and thousands of people—hard right now. This pile of not-good news sparked some questions for us, like: Why are layoffs a go-to cost-cutting lever? What pre-layoff org design decisions put employers and employees in this gnarly position? And why does every CEO letter announcing mass layoffs sound like it was written by the same robot?
In today’s episode, Aaron and Rodney, who’ve been on both sides of the layoff aisle, spend time with these queries and dig into:
- The all-around messiness of the traditional layoff process
- Why companies default to short-term thinking when the boom times boom
- Dehumanizing layoff practices we should shelve for good
- Creating clear containers and agreements for handling layoffs
- How we could design a layoff moment that’s truly people-positive
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Mentioned references:
- "RIFs"
- ConvertKit episode: BNW Ep. 36 with Nathan Barry
"life stress inventories": Holmes and Rahe stress scale
Office Space, 1999 movie
Up in the Air, 2009 movie