Jan 03 2025 22 mins 4
Lands are an intrinsic part of how the resource system of Magic works, and there are some very bright people who have poured thousands of hours into trying to solve for the optimal land base. This week, John reviews the work of pro players like Reid Duke and mathematicians like Frank Karsten to understand how players are optimizing for 60-and-4 Magic and what we can learn as Commander players.
00:00 Introduction
02:23 Building a Better Manabase
06:27 Karsten Land Deficit
07:52 Critiquing Karsten
11:54 Is Trelasarra Playing Enough Lands?
13:57 Is Ghalta Playing Enough Lands?
17:05 Is Nyssa Playing Enough Lands?
20:43 Solving for Commander
Duke, R. (2021). Managing Your Mana Base - Deep Dive. Channel Fireball. Retrieved December 24, 2024, from https://www.channelfireball.com/article/Managing-Your-Mana-Base-Deep-Dive/817630e3-756a-481c-8042-b2bf1e8bbd10/
Karsten, F., PhD. (2022). How Many Sources Do You Need to Consistently Cast Your Spells? A 2022 Update. Channel Fireball. Retrieved December 24, 2024, from https://www.channelfireball.com/article/How-Many-Sources-Do-You-Need-to-Consistently-Cast-Your-Spells-A-2022-Update/dc23a7d2-0a16-4c0b-ad36-586fcca03ad8/
Karsten, F., PhD. (2023). What’s an Optimal Mana Curve and Land/Ramp Count for Commander? Channel Fireball. Retrieved December 24, 2024, from https://www.channelfireball.com/article/What-s-an-Optimal-Mana-Curve-and-Land-Ramp-Count-for-Commander/e22caad1-b04b-4f8a-951b-a41e9f08da14/
Karsten, F., PhD. (2024). How Many Lands Do You Need in Your Deck? An Updated Analysis. Channel Fireball. Retrieved December 24, 2024, from https://www.channelfireball.com/article/How-Many-Lands-Do-You-Need-in-Your-Deck-An-Updated-Analysis/cd1c1a24-d439-4a8e-b369-b936edb0b38a/ Trelasarra: https://moxfield.com/decks/ltopExpOgEivkY0_E6G28Q
Ghalta: https://moxfield.com/decks/rP3dDALPOUSi9TTY-qbaRw
Nyssa: https://moxfield.com/decks/kJ4O-cz-_k-gx3pChjVXlA
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00:00 Introduction
02:23 Building a Better Manabase
06:27 Karsten Land Deficit
07:52 Critiquing Karsten
11:54 Is Trelasarra Playing Enough Lands?
13:57 Is Ghalta Playing Enough Lands?
17:05 Is Nyssa Playing Enough Lands?
20:43 Solving for Commander
Duke, R. (2021). Managing Your Mana Base - Deep Dive. Channel Fireball. Retrieved December 24, 2024, from https://www.channelfireball.com/article/Managing-Your-Mana-Base-Deep-Dive/817630e3-756a-481c-8042-b2bf1e8bbd10/
Karsten, F., PhD. (2022). How Many Sources Do You Need to Consistently Cast Your Spells? A 2022 Update. Channel Fireball. Retrieved December 24, 2024, from https://www.channelfireball.com/article/How-Many-Sources-Do-You-Need-to-Consistently-Cast-Your-Spells-A-2022-Update/dc23a7d2-0a16-4c0b-ad36-586fcca03ad8/
Karsten, F., PhD. (2023). What’s an Optimal Mana Curve and Land/Ramp Count for Commander? Channel Fireball. Retrieved December 24, 2024, from https://www.channelfireball.com/article/What-s-an-Optimal-Mana-Curve-and-Land-Ramp-Count-for-Commander/e22caad1-b04b-4f8a-951b-a41e9f08da14/
Karsten, F., PhD. (2024). How Many Lands Do You Need in Your Deck? An Updated Analysis. Channel Fireball. Retrieved December 24, 2024, from https://www.channelfireball.com/article/How-Many-Lands-Do-You-Need-in-Your-Deck-An-Updated-Analysis/cd1c1a24-d439-4a8e-b369-b936edb0b38a/ Trelasarra: https://moxfield.com/decks/ltopExpOgEivkY0_E6G28Q
Ghalta: https://moxfield.com/decks/rP3dDALPOUSi9TTY-qbaRw
Nyssa: https://moxfield.com/decks/kJ4O-cz-_k-gx3pChjVXlA
https://www.FusionGamingOnline.com Want a 5% discount off all of your MTG order? Head over to Fusion Gaming Online and use exclusive promo code: CCOHOLIDAY
https://www.Patreon.com/CCOPodcast Want your deck or topic featured on Commander Cookout? Become a patron today. There are a lot of fun and unique benefits to pledging. Like the CCO Discord or getting your deck featured on the show. -
Our theme song is "Lonely Satellite" by Bio Unit licensed via Creative Commons
Our background song is "Maze" by Bio Unit licensed via Creative Commons
Find us on Twitter at @gemstoneminemtg
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