90 - Thinking visually, building marketplaces, and turning spreadsheets into products with Jonathan Hey, former CPO of ZenEducate


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Nov 22 2024 55 mins   1
Last week I had a chance to chat with Jonathan Hey, former CPO at ZenEducate.

What we discussed:

- Is writing books more exciting than building products?
- Where does Jono’s love for sketching come from?
- How can PMs learn sketching to communicate their ideas more efficiently?
- The power of explaining ideas visually
- ZenEducate and the problem they are trying to solve
- Why building empathy matters, regardless of your domain
- How has ZenEducate’s product organization evolved?
- How do you build a product strategy for a growing startup?
- How do you balance what your investors want with what your customers want?
- How will AI disrupt edtech?
- Pasha is bragging about his experience trying to use AI avatars.
- The hardest problem Jono has had to solve at ZenEducate
- Why building what a spreadsheet does is not a trivial task

Jonathan on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonohey/
Jonathan's book: https://sketchplanations.com/