The Biblical Mind

What if Christian nationalism isn’t a head problem but a heart problem? In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Dru Johnson speaks with Caleb Campbell, author of Disarming Leviathan, about the rise of Christian nationalism in America and how Christians can engage this movement missionally rather than combatively.

Campbell discusses the anxieties that drive people to embrace Christian nationalism, highlighting the fear of pluralism, the longing for safety, and the allure of worldly power. Drawing from his experience as a pastor and cultural observer, he argues that many Christian nationalists are not inherently motivated by hatred but by a deep desire for rest and stability in a changing world.

The conversation delves into themes of hospitality, humble subversion, and the transformative power of the cross, challenging listeners to rethink how they approach those with opposing views. Campbell offers practical steps for engaging Christian nationalists, emphasizing the need for curiosity, safety, and scripture-centered dialogue.

Find Caleb E. Campbell at:

Instagram handle: https://www.instagram.com/revcalebcampbell

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Find Disarming Leviathan at:

https://www.ivpress.com/disarming-leviathan

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction

00:03 Exploring the Good Impulses of Christian Nationalism

10:18 The Dilemma of Power: Christian Leadership in Politics

23:22 Christian Nationalism: Ideology and Identity

32:23 The Means vs. The Ends: A Christian Perspective on Power

33:25 The Call for Unity and Protection

34:26 Christian Nationalism: A Critical Examination

35:22 Navigating Leadership as a Christian

36:44 The Role of Scripture in Decision Making

38:57 The Complexity of Power Dynamics

39:54 The Dilemma of Political Engagement

42:48 The Duality of Christian Identity

44:41 The Dangers of Christian Nationalism

47:39 Personal Experiences with Christian Nationalism

51:11 A Shift in Perspective: From Combat to Mission

54:43 Practical Steps for Engagement

57:47 Creating Safe Spaces for Dialogue

01:00:30 The Importance of Humility in Conversations