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Gun control, anti-gun propaganda, school shootings, gun-free zones, defensive firearm use, crime

statistics, gun rights, Arizona law, Colorado law, National Reciprocity Bill, ATF elimination, gun safety

counseling, New Jersey gun law, Caltech PR 57, Safe carry.

SPEAKERS

Speaker 3, Evan Nappen, Teddy Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:14

I’m Evan Nappen. Also, in the studio we have, who is this mystery person? Who is it?

Teddy Nappen 00:23

Oh, that’s easy. It’s me, Teddy.

Evan Nappen 00:25

Teddy Nappen, who’s also an attorney and a member of my firm.

Evan Nappen 00:29

Welcome to gun lawyer. Yes, you are. I know. One of these days. Well, Teddy, I understand that you

have been looking at some very interesting statistics that fall under the label of propaganda. Why don’t

you tell us about what you found?

Teddy Nappen 00:29

And your son!

Teddy Nappen 00:51

So, I think we’re going to start with this as, we’re calling it the Press Checks.

Evan Nappen 00:57

Press Checks. So, that’ll be the name of your segment. We’ll call it Press Checks. And you know, what

about press checks, Teddy?

Teddy Nappen 01:05

They’re always free.

Evan Nappen 01:06

That’s right. Press checks are free. So, we’re going to check the press with our Press Checks. And

always, press check your gun. Go ahead, tell us, Teddy.Page – 2 – of 11

Teddy Nappen 01:15

So, I want to start off with this. One of the biggest weapons of the left and the Democrats and the anti-

gunners, they love . . .

Evan Nappen 01:27

You mean the gun rights oppressors?

Teddy Nappen 01:29

the gun rights oppressors. You know, the right snatchers, any other form of . . . They’re just monsters.

That’s what they are. But the one thing they love is to quote statistics. I always think back to my math

teacher, where he comes walking in and looks at us and says, yeah, statistics are BS, and here’s how

they fake them. And it just dawned on me, because, you know, 86% of statistics are wrong.

Evan Nappen 01:31

That’s right, they are. Not only that, my quote that I remember is statistics are like prisoners of war. You

can torture them to say anything you want.

Teddy Nappen 01:52

Yeah.

Evan Nappen 01:56

And what are the antis doing? Our dear friends, the oppressors.

Teddy Nappen 02:12

Well, this is actually one that caught my eye and what kind of sparked this whole segment. So, the Hill,

everyone, you know, everyone loves the Hill. They were talking about how different anti-gun groups

were miscounting school shootings because they had different definitions of what school shootings

meant. (https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2025/01/12/everytown-still-counting-non-school-

shootings-school-shootings/) and Everytown (for Gun Safety Support Fund), oh, everyone, everyone

loves Everytown. Of course, Bloomberg

Evan Nappen 02:48

Right. Bloomturd’s own personal, anti-gun propaganda, rights suppression machine . . .

Teddy Nappen 02:53

So, they would count for every single shooting, every time a firearm was discharged, inside or outside

or near the campus grounds. This included things where persons either being shot or not shot, or if a

firearm was discharged. So, if a security guard slipped and fell, and the gun went off, oh, that was a

school shooting.

Evan Nappen 02:54

So, even if a guy was hunting near the school property. There’s a school shooting.Page – 3 – of 11

Teddy Nappen 02:57

Yep, a school shooting. But, you know, we have the greatest, largest amount of school shootings in our

country. But here is, and this is something to kind of look. I want to give this out to everyone, because

these are the facts. Whenever you see someone say these lines, remember these, and you will spit

them right back, and they will say, what? So, the one we always like to see. We always hear the words;

more gun control would prevent school shootings. You know? You know? That’s very true, right?

Right? Except for the crime research in Chicago University, John Lott, 94% of all mass shootings occur

in “gun free zones” since the 1950s. 94%.

Teddy Nappen 02:57

Hummm . . in the victim disarmament zones that they euphemistically call gun free zones.

Teddy Nappen 03:27

Yeah, and it’s one of those where it’s very disgusting. Of course, they don’t talk about the few times

when armed teachers actually stopped the shooter. But you can’t talk about that.

Evan Nappen 04:38

Well, that would be a school shooting according to Everytown.

Teddy Nappen 04:39

Of course. Whoop, Oh, no. The other one, and this is something they always love to tote. You heard

this from camel toe, him herself. Sorry, I assumed her gender again.

Evan Nappen 04:43

Be careful.

Teddy Nappen 04:55

I know. The number one, let me be clear, let me be clear, the number one killer of children is firearms,

let me be clear.

Evan Nappen 05:05

Oh, God, yeah.

Teddy Nappen 05:06

Except the number one killer of children is accidents, a child is more likely . . .

Evan Nappen 05:11

And not gun accidents.

Teddy Nappen 05:16

No accidents.

Evan Nappen 05:18

Just accidents.Page – 4 – of 11

Teddy Nappen 05:19

Accidents. They are 11 times more likely to die from an accident than a firearm.

Evan Nappen 05:27

Well, we should ban accidents.

Teddy Nappen 05:29

I know. And you know what else we should ban? Cancer. Children are three times more likely to die of

cancer than firearms.

Evan Nappen 05:38

Well, we’ve got to pass some laws like that. It’ll work.

Teddy Nappen 05:42

I know. That’s why they banned, what is it? Red number three or red number four that causes cancer.

Evan Nappen 05:47

Hmm.

Teddy Nappen 05:48

So, this is, that is another one they will always say, and they always tote, and it drives me quite insane

every time I hear that. You know, I’ve got to say. Well, here’s something to really throw them on their

heads, and this is what they do. The way they make their argument is in the statistics. It’s the number

that these are quoted from, are ages one to 14. The way they skew it is they go from one to 19. They

include adults in gang-related violence. So, a 19 year old gang banger is apparently in this statistic,

making the argument that guns are the number one killer of “children”. Here’s just some advice, you

know, to help lower that statistic, don’t join a gang in Memphis. So, . . .

Evan Nappen 06:43

They also count the ages I have, what, like, like 26 they consider them a child or some ridiculousness,

yeah.

Teddy Nappen 06:49

So, they include up to age 19. It was the one when they added 16 to 19. So, all people 18-19, which

you know, that’s adults, 18 to 19. So, that’s how they fool the statistics. Now here’s the statistic that

wins the day. You hear this every time. You hear this from all of them. If it saves one life, we should

pass gun control. If it saves one life. Well, from the CDC, the defensive firearm uses from National

Academics annually, 500,000 to 3 million lives are saved from defensive use of a firearm.

Evan Nappen 06:54

Well, that’s more than one, isn’t it?Page – 5 – of 11

Teddy Nappen 07:21

Yeah, 1.6 million of a recorded defense use of a firearm on average this year.

Evan Nappen 07:38

So, if it saves one life, we need to get rid of gun laws. More guns, more lives are saved.

Teddy Nappen 07:50

Yep.

Evan Nappen 07:52

And that one life that gets saved might be your own, by the way.

Teddy Nappen 07:55

No kidding. And the last one, and this is something. We’re just going to take a step back. You always

hear, you’ve been hearing this, we gotta ban guns, but also crime is down. Didn’t you know that, Dad? I

didn’t know crime is down.

Evan Nappen 08:08

Really? Crime is down?

Teddy Nappen 08:10

I know. I should go on a subway.

Evan Nappen 08:12

Yeah, that’s right.

Teddy Nappen 08:13

I feel so safe. Except the FBI just modified their reports as only about 30% of crime is reported, and

they did not include New York.

Evan Nappen 08:24

Oh, well, New York, that’s because they have no crime in New York. Why would you include a place

with no crime?

Teddy Nappen 08:30

I know, right? So, if you ever hear someone say crime is down, . . .

Evan Nappen 08:36

except when you combine the major cities where their crime is insane. Yep, then it’s not down.

Teddy Nappen 08:45

These are just bits that I hope that people can take away, because they always try to make the

argument that they are on the right side. They’re on the side of facts and logic. Although, they can’t tellPage – 6 – of 11

the difference between a man and a woman. We are on the side of facts and logic. We are on the side

of truth and statistics. Don’t let them take away that.

Evan Nappen 09:11

That’s right, and this Monday is liberation day in America, when the senile sock puppet finally ends his

campaign of destroying America and we get President Trump, who has sworn to uphold the Second

Amendment and has promised to not only sign but pursue national reciprocity and eliminate every

senile sock puppet Executive Order about which there are, like 50 regarding gun rights oppression. All

of them are going to go. It is a new dawn, a new day for our rights, and we are going to make incredible

progress. I’m going to get more into that, into the show. Let me though talk to you, because the gun

rights oppressors, they always double down. The gun rights oppressors never sleep, and they always

come up with new and more inventive and more oppressive ways to prohibit firearms.

Evan Nappen 10:22

One of those new proposals we’ll find in Arizona. So, Arizona has such a common sense, reasonable

law proposed here, in which the law says any household with kids has to have the guns removed.

(https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/government-report-suggests-removing-guns-from-arizona-homes-

with-kids/) That’s right. Did you know that having a kid will be a firearm disqualifier if this law were to

pass in Arizona? That sounds entirely reasonable, right? It’s unbelievable. And you think of Arizona as

a pro-gun rights state, and it is. I don’t think this law has much chance of passing. I sure hope not. But

the bottom line is, this is the kind of idiotic thinking that the gun rights oppressors have, and it doesn’t

end with Arizona.

Evan Nappen 11:22

Another western state, Colorado, that used to be a very pro-gun state, but got invaded by folks from

like, you know, California.

Teddy Nappen 11:35

Pot heads.

Evan Nappen 11:36

Right. So that now Colorado has been turning toward gun rights oppression, and they have a law

proposed. First, they preface it with a ban on rapid-fire trigger activators and bump stocks.

(https://coloradosun.com/2025/01/08/colorado-semiautomatic-detachable-magazine-gun-ban/) And we

know that semi-automatic firearms are semi-automatic. They’re not machine guns. We’re going to see a

lot of progress in restoring our rights concerning those guns. But they preface the bill with that. Then

what the bill does is it bans any semi-automatic firearm that takes a detachable magazine. That’s right,

folks. Any rifle, any shotgun, any handgun that uses a detachable mag will end up being falling under

this ban being proposed in Colorado. (Senate Bill 3.) So, yet another gun rights oppressive, extremist

move, even though the tide has changed. Even though we have the trifecta on the Second Amendment

in the Supreme Court, they just never quit.Page – 7 – of 11

Evan Nappen 12:56

Hey, let me tell you about our good friends at WeShoot, and this week at we shoot, they are offering

some very interesting things I want to make you aware of. Number one is the Walther Q4 Match SF, a

high-performance, steel-framed pistol which is built for precision, speed, and unmatched control. They

also have the IWI, that’s the Israel Weapons Industry, Z-15 Zion, which is an “other”. And you know

what an other is. It is not a rifle or shotgun or handgun. It is, in fact, called an “other”. It’s a versatile AR

platform designed for the tactical enthusiast who demands reliability and performance. And you know,

when Israel makes a gun, it is damn good. They also have a Glock 19X. That’s a crossover pistol

blending the best features of the Glock 17 and 19, which offers maximum versatility, capacity and

reliability. So, WeShoot has some pretty cool stuff. You can go there and check it out. They also have

the Phlster Enigma holster, which gives you freedom to carry in any outfit. It is really great.

Evan Nappen 14:32

WeShoot is a fantastic indoor range. It’s where I shoot, and it’s where Teddy shoots. It’s where we got

our training and certification. And you can go there, too. They’re conveniently located in Lakewood,

New Jersey, an easy, quick ride right off the Parkway. Let me also mention something very special

about WeShoot, and that is WeShoot is sponsoring a seminar on New Jersey gun law. And guess who

will be giving this seminar on gun law? That’s right, yours truly. Gun lawyer Evan Nappen will be giving

the seminar. This seminar is sponsored by U.S. Law Shield, the Lakewood Scoop, which is the great

newspaper in Lakewood, and WeShoot. This is going to be on Thursday, January 30, from six to 8pm.

It’ll be located at Premier Events, 1930 Lakewood Road, Unit 110, in Toms River. If you want to go to

this seminar, go to U.S. Law Shields website. (https://ww2.uslawshield.com/events/) Select your state –

New Jersey, and you can register for this seminar. I’m going to be there. We’re going to be talking

about all the gun laws and answering everybody’s questions. You’ll learn a lot and have a good time. I

want to thank our good friends at U.S. Law Shield, WeShoot and The Lakewood Scoop for making this

happen. I hope to see you there.

Evan Nappen 16:15

Also, don’t forget our good friends at the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs. The

Association is the gun rights organization for New Jersey. They’re the stalwart defenders that are in the

courts and in the legislature, keeping an eye on the shenanigans and fighting these horrible gun laws.

We are waiting for results that should happen anytime now from their litigation over the modern sporting

rifle ban, the standard magazine capacity ban, the Carry Killer law, all those sensitive places hopefully

leave, as the senile sock puppet is leaving. Hopefully his trail of destruction will follow him, including the

attack on our gun rights. Make sure that you belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol

Clubs. That’s anjrpc.org. You’ll get a great newsletter mailed to you. Best in the state. You’ll get email

alerts, so you’ll know what’s going on. You can be part of the solution and fight the problem of the

deprivation of rights that happens in New Jersey.

Evan Nappen 17:43

Now I’ll tell you what’s interesting. I subscribe to a lot of gun rights related organizations and aggregate

news sites. That’s how I bring you these news bits and keep you on top of what’s going on. I also

belong to what I call opposition research. Oppo research is the anti-gun organizations. I don’t actually

pay them to belong, but I sign up for their newsletters and what have you. One of them is the gun rightsPage – 8 – of 11

oppressive mouthpiece of Bloomberg called The Trace. They put out what’s called The Weekly

Briefing. And I really loved this most recent Weekly Briefing. If you look at it with a pro-gun rights eye, it

makes me extremely happy. Because The Trace is bitching and moaning about what’s to come with the

Trump administration, and they put forward a very handy list of things we can look forward to as the

other side looks on with dread.

Evan Nappen 19:03

Some of the things that they point out that I want to alert you to is Senator John Cornyn, who’s joined

already by 44 co-sponsors on the national reciprocity bill. I can’t wait to have that happen, so that we’ll

be able to carry and be free Americans. No longer victims but defenders throughout all of America. That

is on the table, and that is their number one fear. It will be the game changer for gun rights, bar none,

because once everybody is carrying and protecting themselves, we have hit the crest of the expansion

of our rights. From there, we can expand to Constitutional carry and the understanding and acceptance

of the power of the armed individual will be known far and wide.

Evan Nappen 20:01

They’re also very upset with Eric Burlison, who is a rep from Missouri. He’s joined by 19 co-sponsors,

including Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert, introducing the “Abolish the ATF” bill. That’s right. A bill has

been put forward to eliminate, get rid of, put in the trash heap of history, the ATF. Burlison has also put

forward a bill to repeal the (1968) National Firearms Act. Both things need to be done. Post haste. I’m

sure we’ll have an uphill climb, but who knows? At least it’s out there with gun rights bills being put

forward without fear. It is . . .

Teddy Nappen 20:56

Did they mention the Hughes, did they mention the Hughes Amendment at all?

Evan Nappen 21:01

Yes, the Hughes Amendment, which bans the new manufacturer of machine guns, would be eliminated

with the elimination of the NFA. Yes. So, that’s right, Teddy.

Teddy Nappen 21:12

They finally have, we can finally have a happy switch.

Evan Nappen 21:16

That’s right. A happy switch that’s no way distinguished from any other firearm that’s a personally

owned firearm. Michigan representative Jack Bergman, who has 76 co-sponsors, has proposed

legislation to “prohibit the Federal Government from entering into contracts with an entity that

discriminates against the firearm and ammunition industry, and for any other purposes.” That will slam

the gun rights oppressors.

Evan Nappen 21:50

Idaho Senator James Risch announced a bill to prevent the government from making a gun registry

and requiring the ATF to delete all existing firearm transaction records. It would also strip the ATF of

some of its authority over firearm imports. They have secretly compiled almost a billion gun ownerPage – 9 – of 11

records unlawfully. This will destroy them and get rid of these transaction records so that we avoid the

slippery slope of registration. And you know the four words: Legislation, Registration, Confiscation, and

then Extermination. And if you don’t believe it, then you don’t know history.

Teddy Nappen 22:49

It makes me kind of curious. If they eliminate the ATF, is there going to be a boon in tobacco?

Evan Nappen 22:55

Hmm, good point. I don’t know, but hopefully cigars will be cheaper. I’d like that. Virginia Representative

Ben Cline has put a bill forward to remove silencers from the definition of firearm, and that’s, of course,

under the NFA. If we can’t get the whole NFA repealed, let’s at least get silencers or suppressors off

the list, and SBRs off the list. You name it, the whole NFA should go. But it’s great to see more pro-gun

rights legislation. Finally, they are very fearful of Andrew Clyde of Georgia, who’s proposed barring

Medicaid funds from being used for firearm safety counseling. That would reverse the public health

effort of the White House, according to The Trace, who had a plan to reimburse for gun injury risk

screening and safe storage counseling and sharing gun prevention resources. This is double speak for

taking away your gun rights.

Evan Nappen 24:08

So, these are some great things, but it doesn’t end there. There’s an article in AmmoLand, one of the

great news sources that I review for the listeners and myself. This is an article by one of my favorite

authors, Dean Weingarten, who makes a point about the truck drivers suing to restore the right to bear

arms across state lines. (https://www.ammoland.com/2025/01/truck-drivers-sue-to-restore-right-to-bear-

arms-across-state-lines/) In addition to our push for national reciprocity, there is a lawsuit now being

brought by truck drivers, specifically in the District of Minnesota, which to quote, the great Dean

Weingarten, “The lawsuit contends Minnesota, and in particular, the Commissioner for the Department

of Public Safety, is infringing on the exercise of their Second Amendment rights . . .” And they’re doing

so because they refuse to recognize all carry permits in America. They only recognize about 20 states.

They refuse to recognize the other 29, which include Texas, Florida, and Georgia. In other words,

millions of law-abiding citizens who lawfully bear arms in their home states cannot do so while visiting

the state of Minnesota. They make it interesting.

Teddy Nappen 25:36

Yeah, we Minnesotans take that very seriously, their permitting licenses, and we don’t recognize it

beyond the things that we can read.

Evan Nappen 25:46

That’s not terrible for a Minnesota accent, but you don’t have it as well as the actors do in Fargo. That’s

for sure. But hey, hey, but it’s right. So, this is yet another pro-gun effort, and it’s great to see us on the

offensive. I love it. It is a new day. It is a new dawn. It is really cool.Page – 10 – of 11

Evan Nappen 26:11

Now I received an interesting Ask Evan question, and this is from Roy. Roy says, hi, thanks for fighting

the good fight. Can we legally own a pistol like the Keltec PR57 which does not have a magazine? It

holds 20 rounds in the grip and is loaded via stripper clips.

Evan Nappen 26:36

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mission in life. My labor of love. Get your book. Get it today at EvanNappen.com.

Evan Nappen 27:56

But what is the story on that Keltec PR57? It’s a very interesting gun. It holds 20 rounds in the grip, and

it does not take a detachable magazine. So, one thing is, the PR57 might be a definite way around the

ban proposed in Colorado because it doesn’t take a detachable magazine. But how does it play out in

New Jersey? Well, New Jersey defines magazine as any box, tube, container or drum that will fire

continuously and directly out of any semi-automatic firearm with a capacity that’s over 15 rounds, 10

rounds. Sorry. It used to be 15, but now it’s 10 rounds. So, the issue becomes, is the gun itself a

magazine? Now, New Jersey, I’m sure, would try to argue that that handgun has a fixed magazine, and

there has not been a case in New Jersey to decide whether the ban on magazines includes fixed

magazines. It may very well.

Evan Nappen 29:21

Keltec, on their site, says it’s not a magazine. It uses clips, stripper clips, to load, and doesn’t use a

magazine. But is the internal device going to be viewed as a fixed magazine? I don’t know. I don’t think

you want to become the test case. I would argue, of course, strenuously, that it isn’t a magazine. It

doesn’t detach. But that is yet to be determined. Your best bet for now is not to risk it, unfortunately,

because it’s not clear. As far as it being an assault firearm, it’s not an assault firearm because it’s not a

semi-automatic rifle that uses a detachable magazine, and it’s not a semi-automatic rifle that uses a

fixed magazine. Semi-automatic handguns, that use fixed magazines that exceed 10 rounds, is not part

of the definition of an assault firearm. So, it’s not an assault firearm. That’s clear. But it is not clear

whether the internal device itself would be deemed a fixed magazine. It is a great question, and

technology can change how the law plays out, so I appreciate that very much.

Teddy Nappen 30:43

I could honestly see it going where you always have that issue in court, where it’s going to be, well,

counselor, that’s a fact question, and then you have to convince a jury what a magazine is and is not.Page – 11 – of 11

Evan Nappen 30:55

Exactly, Teddy, and it may very well come down to that having to be a jury question, where 12 people

who aren’t smart enough to avoid jury duty have to decide that issue. So, it can be a little treacherous. I

would beware, but yet, a great question, and I appreciate it.

Evan Nappen 31:16

Now I have another question, and this is going to actually flow into our GOFU. Now the GOFU, of

course, is the most popular segment of the show. That is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. And why do we talk

about GOFUs? Because GOFUs are expensive lessons that individuals have paid a high price to learn,

that you get to learn for free. So, let’s read this letter. This is from Ron. Ron says Evan, this week’s

question for the expert, when carrying a firearm in the car, are we allowed to not have our firearm on

our person, such as having it under dash magnetic holder? It would be much easier to access a firearm

if need be.

Evan Nappen 32:02

Now, of course, Ron hasn’t committed a GOFU, and he wants to avoid being a GOFU. So, he wants to

know about that, and it also blends into another tale of woe I want to tell you about. As far as Ron’s

specific question, unfortunately, we cannot do that. The law requires us to carry our firearm in a holster

on our person. So, you can carry your gun in a holster on your person while in your vehicle. That is not

prohibited. Under the Carry Killer law, it was not allowed, but that section has been stayed. It’s been

enjoined. Excuse me, not stayed. It’s been enjoined by the Federal Court, and even in the appeal, that

injunction was not stayed, meaning we can carry our loaded concealed handgun with a carry permit in

our vehicle, as long as it’s in a holster that is a proper holster, one that conceals the body of the firearm

and the trigger and is on our person. So, that’s why those magnetic holsters are not acceptable at the

moment in New Jersey.

Evan Nappen 33:15

Now the GOFU on the next level is carrying your gun loaded in the car in any way, and that means in a

glove box, under your seat, etc. If you’re carrying it loaded in that manner, then the Government will try

to argue, even though you have a carry permit, that you were not properly carrying it in a holster on

your person. This is called Safe Carry in New Jersey. Safe Carry, yeah. It’s a load of bullshit is what it

is, but that’s what they call it. And therefore, the requirement, arguably, is to be in a holster. Now, the

Constitutionality of that is, of course, always in question. But in order to not be a GOFU, do not carry

your gun loaded in your vehicle unless it is in a holster on your person.

Evan Nappen 34:11

This is Evan Nappen and Teddy Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from

criminals. They protect criminals from honest citizens.

Speaker 3 34:25

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