Jan 12 2025 42 mins 1
In this episode, the Carl, Christine, and Natalie welcome Frank Miller and Madelyn Creedon to discuss the complexities of nuclear deterrence in the current geopolitical landscape, focusing on the challenges posed by China and Russia. They emphasize the urgency of modernization and the need for a balanced approach between nuclear and conventional capabilities. The conversation also explores the role of allies in the Asia-Pacific region, the potential for an Asian NATO, and the implications of nuclear proliferation among friendly nations.