In this series of recorded encounters we speak with the participants of Onassis AiR to shed light on their artistic practices and needs, as well as to reflect on ways of being and working together. In this conversation I am very happy to welcome virgil b/g taylor. With a background in public history and fine arts, Virgil's interest focuses on time and history and especially on moments of transition and histories of crisis and care through the use of various artistic media, including printmaking, film and installation. Virgil is a participant of The School of Infinite Rehearsals Movement VI with a collective research focus on modes of governance through the lens of institutions. Today, we discuss, among other things, about the notion of exclusion and access in instituting otherwise.