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#170 Apprenticeships, Sabbaticals & "Good Work" — Steve Schlafman & Matt Yao on slowing down, deprogramming, unlearning, learning from others, deciding to quit, going on a sabbatical, not being jealous anymore, competitiveness and enoughness, finding good work, ambition, the apprenticeship, Downshift, decelerator, marriage, family and reframing money


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Steve is a professional coach and the founder of Downshift — the world's first decelerator. He has left a career in venture, but he remains ambitious, it's just that his ambition is now to have a good, multidimentional life, where he can be a good dad for his kids.
Matt has left a traditional path early on to write, travel and discover his own path. When he met Steve, he offered him to become his apprentice and joined Downshift.

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  • (00:00) - Intro

  • (02:52) - The scripts that Steve & Matt grew up with

  • (05:38) - Slowing down, deprogramming and unlearning

  • (12:30) - The cocoon stage

  • (14:43) - Deciding to quit

  • (19:03) - Learning from others on the path and having children

  • (25:56) - Trust

  • (29:07) - Matt's sabbatical, finding good work

  • (35:04) - No jealousy, competitiveness vs enoughness

  • (39:14) - Matt's apprenticeship with Steve

  • (48:23) - Putting yourself in a place where it's easy to help you

  • (52:21) - Downshift & Ambition

  • (01:02:52) - Marriage & Family

  • (01:10:40) - Reframing money, skiing and oatmeal

  • (01:17:01) - Launching decelerator

  • (01:21:12) - Closing remarks



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