The DIVERG. Podcast

In this episode of DIVERG., we sit down with Mary O’Brien, an Autistic BCBA (Board Certified Behavior Analyst) and expert in Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA). Together, we explore what Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) can look like when it is reimagined through a neuroaffirming lens—one that prioritizes values-based practices and fosters true autonomy for autistic individuals.

Mary shares her insights on shifting ABA away from compliance-driven approaches and toward a framework that respects individual agency, sensory needs, and the natural ways autistic people communicate and learn. We dive into how therapists, educators, and parents can implement strategies that honor self-direction, reduce anxiety around demands, and create supportive environments that align with an autistic person’s strengths and values.

Whether you’re a parent, therapist, or someone seeking a more ethical and affirming approach to support, this episode challenges traditional narratives and offers a hopeful perspective on how ABA can evolve to be more respectful, responsive, and truly beneficial for autistic individuals—especially those with a PDA profile.

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