In this sermon conversation, the main themes center around understanding tribal nations, citizenship and cultural pluralism within the Muscogee Creek, Osage and Cherokee Nations in Oklahoma. Eli Grayson and Rev. Dr. Marlin Lavanhar discuss how tribal identity transends race, religion and nationality. Being part of a tribe like the Muscogee Creek or Cherokee is a matter of legal and political status, not just ethnicity. The homily recounts significant historical events and the complexities around citizenship within Native American nations. This conversation underscores how these nations have evolved and adapted, similar to the broader United States in some aspect, while also dealing with unique tribal governance and societal norms.