Jan 17 2024 38 mins
In this episode of Capital for Good we speak with Suzanne Nossel, the chief executive officer of PEN America, and one of the country’s most prominent experts and voices on free speech, free expression, and human rights. Nossel has held leadership roles in government, the nonprofit and private sectors, and is the author of the award-winning book Dare to Speak: Defending Free Speech for All.
We begin with some of Nossel’s formative personal and professional experiences that shaped her passion for human rights, including participating as a young person in the movement to free Soviet Jews in the 1980s, and her years after college in South Africa during the country’s early transition from Apartheid to democracy. Both influenced what would become a throughline throughout her career — “an impulse to advocate for people who take great risks, who assert themselves, who challenge authority,” whether that was leading important initiatives at the State Department under President Obama, at the UN under President Clinton, or at civil society organizations like Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and now PEN America.
Nossel walks us through a kind of “free speech and free expression” 101. She explains that while much of the important conversation about free speech centers on the First Amendment, and therefore on protections against government infringement on speech, more broadly free speech is also the foundational right for all other rights in a free and democratic society, the “catalyst for a range of social goods.” Nossel reminds us that the open exchange of ideas allows for deliberation, persuasion, debate, accountability, the ability to make better policies, choose better leaders, and advance scientific progress artistic creativity; freedom of expression is “an underwriter of so many other movements, the ability to advocate for… women's rights, climate justice, racial justice.” She worries about a rising generation becoming alienated from the principle of free speech, seeing free speech at odds with commitments to diversity, inclusion, and pluralism — when in fact they are mutually supportive and reinforcing.
We discuss many of the ways Nossel and her PEN America colleagues aim to serve as “guarantors of free speech and open discourse” through work to “celebrate and defend freedom of expression worldwide.” Some of this takes the form of enabling and amplifying lesser heard voices like Dreamers or incarcerated writers; some through awards, festivals, and public programming celebrating a “big tent” of writers and voices that in turn supports PEN’s free expression and advocacy work, including the defense of persecuted writers around the world, litigation, i.e., the recent federal lawsuit in Escambia County, Florida challenging book bans, or warnings on the dangers of education gag orders. For years, PEN America has also worked on issues of campus free speech, a topic we explore in light of the recent protests and crises of university leadership. Nossel hopes that today’s campus convulsions have brought about a recognition that universities need to put in place deliberate, intentional training and inculcation of a culture of free speech, open discourse, and academic freedom to support the diversity of experience, opinion, and perspective that makes universities “catalysts for understanding and growth.”
We also touch on the large and “messy” issues of online speech, the ways it can be weaponized, the challenges of disinformation, of businesses built on algorithms that prioritize inflammatory content — that are not governed as public entities or liable for most posted speech, and of the lag in appropriate regulation. “The best we can do is experiment,” Nossel says. To date, that experimentation has included important new EU regulations, and efforts from the tech companies themselves to improve content moderation. Nossel herself sits on the Meta oversight board, a group that works to apply human rights principles to adjudicate complex content moderation quandaries and dilemmas.
While deeply concerned about speech issues — particularly the problems of misinformation in an election year (in the United States and around the world), Nossel is also hopeful there is increased recognition, on the political left and right “that each has a stake in speech.” “Speech really should be an issue that sits above politics, and for a long time it was,” she says. “My hope is that we can go back to that when it comes to the nature of our discourse.”
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Mentioned in this Episode
- “In Win for Free Expression, Jude Rule Lawsuit Challenging Escambia County, FL Book Banks can Move Forward,” (PEN America, 2024)
- “A Free-Speech Fix for our Divided Campuses,”(Suzanne Nossel, Wall Street Journal, 2023)
- Dare to Speak: Defending Free Speech for All, (Suzanne Nossel, Dey Street Books, 2020)
- PEN America