Assa talks to Gael Briand, the editor of Le Peuple Breton, a magazine that pro-autonomy activists founded in Brittany 60 years ago. The magazine made national headlines last week when it faced a wave of racist abuse after revealing the cover of its January issue titled "A living people". The cover features a Black child in traditional Breton attire waving a Breton flag. This week, the pair discuss civic nationalism, what defines a nation, the importance of the EU for European regions and nations, and how pro-autonomy and independence parties in Brittany draw inspiration from Scotland and the SNP.