“We want stories that don’t exist in systems”: Mike tells Sarah what happened when Utah set out to solve one of America's most intractable problems. Digressions include the Paleo diet, the planet Mars and the inadequacy of the term “up the river.” Jimmy Carter makes an extended cameo appearance. Support us: Subscribe on Patreon, donate on Paypal or buy cute stuff! Continue reading → Support the show (http://patreon.com/yourewrongabout)
