Episode 33: Michelle Payan: Could a Chronic Illness Be the Start of an Awakening?


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Jan 27 2025 47 mins  

Join us for an enlightening episode of TMI Talk as Dr. Mary Grimberg delves into the profound topic of spirituality with visionary healthcare leader Michelle Payan.

(Previously episode 4 of season 2)

This episode explores the intricate balance between evidence-based medicine, personal intuition, and holistic healing practices.

Michelle Payan, CEO of Kairos Therapeutic Retreat and an oncology clinical pharmacist, shares her journey inspired by her grandmother's traditional medicine practices. Together, Dr. Mary and Michelle offer a compelling critique of Western medicine, highlighting its limitations in treating chronic conditions and emphasizing the vital role of practitioner intuition and patient advocacy.

Discover the nuances between anxiety and intuition, and hear personal anecdotes about how intuitive insights can lead to critical health interventions. The episode sheds light on "medical gaslighting," encouraging listeners to trust their inner guidance amid potential dismissals by healthcare professionals.

Embrace the journey of personal growth through challenges, with candid discussions on managing emotions, facing triggers, and overcoming "dark energy." Michelle Payan presents her vision for a framework to support healing journeys, while Dr. Mary underscores the significance of community support and living authentically.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to integrate mind, body, and spirit for comprehensive healing, navigate the complexities of chronic illness, and cultivate a supportive, nourishing environment. Tune in to gain insights on balancing professional expertise and personal spirituality in your healing journey.

TIME STAMPS

00:00 Bridging Science and Spiritual Healing

04:29 Holistic Healing Integration

06:58 Chronic Illness and Letting Go

12:23 Understanding Intuition vs. Anxiety

14:33 Meditation Clears Mind's Ripples

18:36 Exploring Nontraditional Healthcare Approaches

21:08 Healing Through Mind-Body Techniques

25:32 Identifying Energy Drains

27:46 Overcoming Trauma and Starting Anew

31:20 Holistic Healing and Self-Integration

35:14 Understanding Inner Intuition and Healing

38:43 Healthy Expression of Emotions

40:44 "Embracing Emotions, Resisting Darkness"

44:40 Holistic Healing and Intuition Journey

46:34 TMI Talk with Dr. Mary

You can learn more about Michelle's work below:

https://www.kairoshealth.org/

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I’ll see you in a week!