In this conversation, part of our Crafting Hope series, Emma Pavey is joined by Dr Elin Kelsey, a leading spokesperson, scholar and educator in the area of evidence-based hope, and Dr Steven van den Heuvel, Associate Professor of Systematic Theology at Evangelische Theologische Faculteit & Director of the Institute of Leadership and Social Ethics.
Find out more about the guests, and download a discussion guide for the episode here.