The Livin'Sky Podcast

In this episode of the Livin'Sky podcast, I got the honor of interviewing Louise Herbert of Mother Nourish Nurture, who is a renowned Pediatric Sleep and Development Specialist and Lactation Specialist.

This conversation was extra special to me, because it was Louise who helped me understand Nate's sleep needs from an attachment forward perspective and ultimately saved me from a total burnout and breakdown. She also helped thousands of families do the same. Therefore I couldn't think of a better person to interview on this delicate topic of infant sleep.

We delved into the complexities of infant sleep, debunking common myths and misconceptions that many new parents face.

Key Points Discussed:

The Reality of Infant Sleep

• Common Misconceptions: Many parents are misled by idealized sleep schedules found online, which can lead to unnecessary guilt and stress.
• Biological Needs: Infants have different sleep needs compared to adults. Frequent waking is normal and essential for their development and safety.

The Problem with Sleep Training

• Not a One-Size-Fits-All Solution: Sleep training is often presented as the ultimate fix, but it doesn't work for every family and can sometimes lead to more distress.
• Long-Term Effects: We discussed the potential risks and consequences of sleep training and the importance of informed decision-making.

Attachment and Co-Sleeping

• Attachment First Approach: Louise emphasized the benefits of an attachment-forward method, which supports both the child's and the parent's well-being.
• Co-Regulation: Holding and being close to the baby helps in co-regulating their bodily systems, which is crucial for their growth and development.

Societal Expectations and Pressures

• Cultural Influences: The unrealistic expectations set by society and social media can add to the stress of new parents.
• Historical Context: We explored how past generations were conditioned to view infant independence and how this has shaped current parenting norms.

Practical Advice and Support

• Realistic Expectations: Louise provided insights into what parents can realistically expect regarding their infant's sleep patterns.
• Accredited Support: We discussed the importance of seeking advice from accredited professionals and the need for regulation in the baby sleep industry.

Louise's Accredited Course

• Comprehensive Training: Louise is pioneering an accredited course for sleep consultants that covers a wide range of topics, including sleep science, attachment theory, and infant mental health.
• Global Standards: The course aims to set a new standard in the industry, ensuring that practitioners are well-equipped to support families holistically.

This episode is a must-listen for any parent struggling with their child's sleep. Louise's insights and compassionate approach offer a refreshing perspective that prioritizes the well-being of both the child and the parent.

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[00:01:34] Sleep expectations vs. reality.

[00:03:41] Sleep training and its impact.

[00:09:07] Sleep anxiety.

[00:12:33] Expectations of infant sleep.

[00:17:28] The power of oxytocin.

[00:18:44] Dependency and independence in children.

[00:23:38] Sleep milestones for children.

[00:28:03] Children's sleep misconceptions.

[00:31:28] Behaviorism in parenting advice.

[00:35:09] Unregulated baby sleep industry.

[00:39:03] Infant mental health awareness.

[00:43:02] Accreditation for Sleep Consu