Apr 25 2023 30 mins
In this podcast, CNAC Director of Learning Petra Eperjesi sits down with facilitator Margaret Fraser, who is also the co-founder of Metalude, a Montréal-based play and inclusion consultancy. They discuss accessibility and inclusion in the Forest/Nature School context. Margaret challenges us to reflect on our relationships with disability and internalized ableism, how we think about disability, and the language we use to talk about it. We explore the differences between adaptation and inclusion, and Margaret shares concrete examples from her urban outdoor play program, The Lion and the Mouse, about building trust with disabled children and their families, and co-creating more inclusive programming.