Journalist, author and biographer of Pope Francis, Dr. Austen Ivereigh was the Novena guest speaker at Knock on 14 August 2024. His talk was entitled 'Hope for a Changing Church'. In this interview with Pat Coyle of the Irish Jesuit Communication Centre he reflects on the topics raised during his talk, specifically the "communion of unity and fraternity". He says there are two different kinds of unity, one being “unity in hatred” which we are seeing more of today. Dr Ivereigh discusses Pope Francis’ actions in the face of this hatred and how we as individuals can “offer the first hand of friendship” towards the communion of unity.