Secondary Rules

Oct 25 2024 32 ep. 35 mins 8
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Join legal scholars Ryan Goss and Joshua Neoh as they discuss public law and legal theory in their podcast, Secondary Rules. In each episode, Ryan and Joshua bring to life exciting cases, puzzles, and controversies from Australia and around the world - exploring some of the biggest questions facing any legal system, and the legal questions that define our democracy. Ryan and Joshua are both associate professors at The Australian National University (ANU) College of Law in Canberra, teaching and researching Australian public law and legal theory. Whether you're a lawyer, a law student or just somebody interested in better understanding the legal world around us, Secondary Rules is a must-listen podcast. Season 3: Ten(ish) Big Ideas Season 2: Ten Great Cases. Season 1: Two Great Courses.

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Is it over now?

Oct 25 2024 45 mins  
In our season finale, our ‘big idea’ is ‘THE CONSTITUTION’: Joshua and Ryan offer a cruel and unusual discussion of constitutional change, foreign powers, and the role of “random” unelected judges.

Sovereignty on the Beach

Oct 18 2024 44 mins  
This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘SOVEREIGNTY’: Joshua and Ryan discuss Churchill, Guantanamo Bay, and Australian history.

How You Get The Vote

Oct 11 2024 41 mins  
This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘DEMOCRACY’: Joshua and Ryan discuss Ancient Athenian hillsides, marketing scams, Hare Clark with a Robson Rotation, and why Joshua doesn’t trust his neighbours.

Staters Gonna State

Oct 04 2024 40 mins  
This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘The State’: Joshua and Ryan talk about mutual protection, whether states need territory to be states, who is on the other side of the breathalyser, and what the French have to learn from giant sea monsters. 


Look What The Law Made Me Do

Sep 27 2024 40 mins  
This week’s ‘big idea’ is ‘The Rule of Law’: Joshua and Ryan thinking about chickens and ducks, the laws of cricket, and the mafia; and Joshua offers a few gratuitous reflections on the French.

I Look in People's Windows

Sep 20 2024 34 mins  
This week, our ‘big idea’ is ‘The People’: revolutions in France, the US and beyond; why it’s a bad idea to make big decisions on an empty stomach; and how everything comes back to the Parting of the Red Sea.

The Tortured Lawyers Department

Sep 13 2024 1 mins  
Here’s the long-awaited trailer for the third season of ANU Law’s Secondary Rules podcast — coming soon!

Mabo v Queensland

Oct 13 2023 36 mins  
In our final episode for Season 2 of Secondary Rules, we examine how a conversation at James Cook University led to the most momentous decision in Australian legal history.

Mazibuko v City of Johannesburg

Oct 06 2023 37 mins  
Water under the bridge, and judges kissing babies, in this episode of Secondary Rules. What business do Courts have thinking about socio-economic rights? Can a Constitution transform a society, and can litigation safeguard a democracy? All this and more as we consider the right to water in the Constitutional Court of South Africa.

Rome v Jesus

Sep 29 2023 38 mins  
The trial that changed the world. A Jewish rabble-rouser came face-to-face with a provincial Roman governor. He was hanged. But his death was not the end. It was just the beginning. Spikenard not included.