Students Over Systems

May 28 2024 37 ep. 31 mins 3

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The Students Over Systems podcast features conversations that celebrate education freedom and brighter futures. Host Ginny Gentles, director of the Education Freedom Center at Independent Women’s Forum, is joined by the parents and policymakers who empower families with leverage and options.
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Louisiana Superintendent Cade Brumley: Laser Focused on Academic Achievement

May 28 2024 30 mins

Under State Superintendent of Education Cade Brumley's leadership, Louisiana has safely reopened schools, revamped literacy instruction, introduced new social studies standards, and prioritized academic achievement. Now, the Pelican State is poised to expand educational freedom. Dr. Brumley joins Students Over Systems to discuss the Louisiana GATOR program and plans to provide pare

Kelley Williams-Bolar: Jailed for Enrolling Her Children in a Nearby Public School

May 14 2024 31 mins

On this episode of Students Over Systems, Kelley Williams-Bolar, an educator, mother, and No More Lines fellow, shares her story of being jailed after enrolling her children in a nearby public school. Kelley used her father's home address to enroll her daughters in a safe and high-performing school not far from her home in Akron, Ohio. The school district hired a private inves

Jamie Gass: Restoring U.S. History & Civics in America's Schools

Apr 30 2024 30 mins

Only 13% of American eighth grade students are proficient in history and 22% are proficient in civics, according to 2022 NAEP results. The Pioneer Institute's Jamie Gass joins the podcast to discuss the past, present, and potential future of rigorous history and civics instruction as detailed in his new book, Restoring the City on a Hill: U.S. History & Civics in America's Scho

Tim DeRoche: No More Lines

Apr 16 2024 29 mins

All students should have access to any public school, regardless of their home address and government-imposed school district boundaries. Tim DeRoche, author of A Fine Line: How Most American Kids Are Kept Out of the Best Public Schools and founder of Available to All, joins the podcast to advocate for ensuring public schools are “available to all on equal terms.” Tim argues fo

Shelby Doyle: Successfully Navigating Education Options

Apr 02 2024 30 mins

Did you know that 64% of parents wish they had more information about education options for their children? Shelby Doyle with the National School Choice Awareness Foundation joins the podcast to share tips and resources for parents who are seeking alternatives to their residentially-assigned public schools. We first discuss Shelby's homeschooling experience and then review the tool

Rick Hess and Mike McShane: Education is a Handshake

Mar 19 2024 49 mins

In their new book, Getting Education Right: A Conservative Vision for Improving Early Childhood, K–12, and College, Frederick M. Hess and Michael Q. McShane outline a principled conservative vision that could cultivate schools that are formative, flexible, and human. In this supersized Students Over Systems episode, Rick and Mike encourage conservatives to advocate

Whitney Marsh: Unlocking the Extraordinary Potential of Every Kid

Mar 05 2024 33 mins

What does it mean to truly empower and trust families to make education decisions for their children? Whitney Marsh, Director of Policy Operations at yes. every kid. Foundation, joins Students Over Systems to discuss removing boundaries that restrict where families can send their kids to school, supporting edupreneurs, and implementing effective education savings account (ESA) prog

Chris and Christine Stigall: Making the Leap from the Status Quo

Feb 20 2024 35 mins

Chris and Christine Stigall, hosts of the Herzog Foundation's Making the Leap podcast, join Students Over Systems to share how they encourage and equip parents to make choices best suited for their families. Chris and Christine (a former public school educator) discuss both their family's education choices and concerns they hear from other parents, including how some public schools

Corey DeAngelis: Funding Students and Exposing Radical Teachers Unions

Feb 06 2024 40 mins

Corey DeAngelis, senior fellow at the American Federation for Children, joins Students Over Systems to discuss the educational industrial complex, the pernicious influence of teachers unions, and the recent growth in school choice programs. Corey explains why he advises leaning into the culture wars in his upcoming book, The Parent Revolution. He also dispels a number of education

Former Arizona Governor Doug Ducey: Creating and Protecting Universal Education Freedom

Jan 23 2024 29 mins

Former Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, pioneer of the universal education freedom model, joins the Students Over Systems podcast as we celebrate National School Choice Week. We discuss Arizona's reputation as the Wild West of school choice, the growth of the Empowerment Scholarship Account (ESA) program, and the wide array of education options in the state. Governor Ducey tackles scho