The Hard Way Out

Join us for episode 20, where we take a dive into our new toy - the cold plunge! Lee has been wanting a cold plunge for years. I, Carrie, on the other hand, haven't. 😉 Regardless, I took my first plunge this morning and we'll see where it takes us. We briefly chat about some of the benefits of cold water submersion and Lee goes down a rabbit hole as he explains how where his tho

Join us for episode 19, where we talk about what jealousy is and the best way to overcome it (hint: it's not easy). We share personal stories of how jealousy has affected our lives in the aftermath of betrayal.

Join us for Episode 18, where we sit down with Lee's brother, Andrew, and his wife Holly. Andrew, Holly, and their kiddos came to stay with us recently and we coerced them to sit down and record a podcast with us. We had to twist their arms - but only slightly. ;)In episode 18, we chat about everything from horses/barrel racing to whether or not the Virgin Mary actually rode a donk

Follow us on Instagram at @carrie.m.williams!In episode 17, we continue chatting about the steps we took after betrayal. In part one, we spoke of how our faith initially helped us forgive, but time proved that forgiveness wasn't enough. It was enough to initially save our marriage from ending, but it wasn't enough to keep our marriage from ending. In Part Two, we dive into some of

Follow us on Instagram @carrie.m.williams 🫶Many of you have asked us to talk about how we've built a thriving marriage after betrayal. Because this topic is so deep, episode 16 only covers the steps we took in the immediate aftermath.The truth is, we've evolved and our journey has required us to try MULTIPLE things. Every trust-building step we've taken has been critical, but ov

We strayed from our norm in episode 15 and didn't talk about anything serious. I can't believe we were successful! Well, let me (Carrie) clarify. We talked about my massive fear of cockroaches and fishing hooks, so yeah, I suppose those are serious topics. 😉In episode 15, we also recap some of our funny stories from our recent trip to Montana and Yellowstone. Somehow, that conve

Find us on Instagram at @carrie.m.williams In episode 14 of The Hard Way Out, we sit down and chat for TWO amazing hours with traumatic breathwork healer, Katie Hopson. I, Carrie, have been working with Katie to uncover and unpack some of my deep-rooted fears that keep me stuck in a few areas of my life. When I say breathwork is life-changing, I mean it's LIFE CHANGING. Somatic bre

Don't worry, Amy G isn't another woman. I mean, she might be, but that's not what we're talking about on this episode. ;)Amy G. Dala is a helpful mnemonic to remember the part of the brain called the amygdala. You may or may not have heard of the amygdala, but if you haven't, it's time to listen to this podcast and do a little studying because trust me - she's in control of your br

Episode 12 is the second of several episodes where we talk about healthy communication and why it's important in your relationships. Struggles in communication are what we hear about ALL the time, and is the area in which we struggle the most in our own marriage. If you can't communicate, you can't do much else...Over the years, we've poured tons of time into learning different com

Have you ever heard something 50 times only to have it hit differently on that 51st time? Well, that's what happened to me (Carrie) on a recent flight home from Minneapolis. As I was watching a show series called "Couples Therapy" on my flight, I had a revelation about my internal struggles and Lee's role regarding my struggles. What I heard on this show wasn't much different than