Apr 23 2024 31 mins 11
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Brett Raeburn: From Yellowstone National Park. This is What We Do. I'm Brett Raeburn.
Ashton Hooker: And I'm Ashton Hooker.
Brett Raeburn: All right. Ashton. First of all, it's great to see you. How's it going?
Ashton Hooker: Good to see you, too, Brett. I'm good. How are you?
Brett Raeburn: Good. I'm awesome. so I have a question for you. Have you ever hitchhiked before?
Ashton Hooker: you know what I don't think I have.
Brett Raeburn: I see the way your face. When I thought you were about to tell me an epic hitchhiking story.
Ashton Hooker: No, no, no, I'm actually surprised I haven't done that, though.
Brett Raeburn: Well, I did some research in the superintendent's compendium, and, hitchhiking is legal within Yellowstone National Park as long as you follow some certain rules. So one of those rules, which is in section five, part 4.31, which I'm sure you read.
Ashton Hooker: By heart, yeah.
Brett Raeburn: All the time. Says that you can you can hitchhike as long as a sign isn't bigger than certain dimensions. Do you know what the max dimensions for your hitchhiking sign would be?
Ashton Hooker: Wow. This is a very niche question. I honestly have no idea, but I'm just going to take a random guess. I'm going to say I can't be bigger than, like, five by five feet.
Brett Raeburn: So five feet. That's a big. That's a really big sign.
Ashton Hooker: I was trying to, you know, go a little bigger than I thought.
Brett Raeburn: That's huge. it's actually it's two, two feet by two feet. So you’re going to have to trim a few feet off that.
Ashton Hooker: That's a more like, normal size of sign.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah. So next time you're you're recruiting someone to pick you up for hitchhiking. It just needs to be under that two feet by two feet and you should be good.
Ashton Hooker: Okay, interesting.
Brett Raeburn: if you want to hold a five foot sign, the sign spinners, that might be your, that might be your go to. So our next guest, probably or is a lot more likely than we are to knows section five, part 4.3 of the superintendent. I can't say that superintendents compendium, by heart, because she's the law enforcement specialist here at Yellowstone National Park.
Brett Raeburn: So, Katy Anderson, have you ever cited someone for hitchhiking with a sign, like, if that if Ashton gave them their five foot by five foot sign? Have you ever cited someone for that?
Katy Anderson: No, but I would have definitely stopped and talked to her if she had a five by five sign. I would want her life story. I would want to know her.
Ashton Hooker: That would catch your attention.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah. I feel like you don't even need to know the compendium to know that. Like that. That's probably someone you want to talk to.
Katy Anderson: Exactly.
Brett Raeburn: Well, there's always a first time for everything. so I'm guessing. Yeah. And I'm guessing you see a lot of things. Something different every day as a law enforcement specialist. But I want to backtrack a little bit first. before, we get to your current position and talk about where and when you got your start in the National Park Service.
Katy Anderson: Yeah. So thanks so much for having me. my where and when. So my career with the National Park Service began in 2001. as a GS-3 Park Guide at Assateague Island National Seashore in Maryland. living with those wild ponies, which was pretty much a childhood dream being fulfilled right out of the gate.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah, that's that's pretty awesome. So was it the wild ponies that that got you to that job, or how did you hear about the Park Service?
Katy Anderson: well, so the Park service go goes way back. for me, I'll have to go many decades back from that. It pretty much goes back to about the late 1950s. when my grandparents jumped on the Ranger three, which is a vessel that takes visitors, from the mainland of Michigan. and takes them out to an archipelago of islands in Lake Superior called Isle Royal.
Katy Anderson: and the island, as it sort of lovingly called by all of us who sort of grew up there, or grew up going there. along with my family, were super instrumental in my formative years in instilling a strong conservation ethic and just, in turn, inherently me knowing that my life work was going to end up being working on preserving wild, and public lands, like Isle Royal.
Brett Raeburn: So did you grow up near Isle Royale then, or just vacation there?
Katy Anderson: Yeah, I, I grew up in northern Minnesota, and so that was, we always kind of came from that Grand Portage side out to the islands. but the island has always been a huge part of my life.
Brett Raeburn: That is that's a big bucket list park for me. I've never not been there.
Katy Anderson: It's incredible.
Brett Raeburn: Have you been there?
Ashton Hooker: no. Actually, I just visited northern Minnesota last fall, but we were there just after the boat. Like, the ferries went out to Isle Royale, so we have to make another trip. I'm definitely bucket list.
Katy Anderson: Yeah.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah. So. So how did. So you kind of started out with that background of of the conservation ethics kind of being, instilled in you from a young age? and then you got that job at Assateague. How did you as soon as you got that job, were you like, this is what I want to do. This is where I belong.
Brett Raeburn: So it.
Katy Anderson: Yeah, it is. I knew it like growing up. There was no question that this is what I was going to do, the National Park Service. It was just really refining what part of the Park Service I was going to be part of.
Brett Raeburn: And so how did you get from playing with wild ponies to where you are now? What are the the steps and iterations of jobs and units that you've worked at?
Katy Anderson: Yeah. So that is, there are such interesting journeys for us in the National Park Service. for a lot of us, what's neat about the National Park Service is that you can really experience the entire country on a deep level by working in the national parks. Really, from coast to coast. and that's pretty much what I did for those first 15 years, with the Park Service.
Katy Anderson: right after I finished my season at Assateague, I made my way into the heart of DC to work for the Wilderness Society, and I was interning for them, and really just getting amazing exposure to the hill, and really understanding how important the work of the nonprofit world was, but also how it coincided with the, federal government agencies and, you know, decisions being made on the Capitol.
Katy Anderson: And so, spent spent a good chunk of time there. really kind of digging in to, like, how do I get on permanently, permanently with the National Park Service? after I finished up, my DC work, I ended up going up to Acadia National Park in Maine, and spent a fall up there counting raptors, that was another big part of my life growing up.
Katy Anderson: in northern Minnesota, we had big flight migration routes. And so, was an intern up there, a volunteer up there as well, just really kind of starting to build my resume and figure out, how I could get my foot in the door full time. as I learned about, the different types of rangering in sort of the longer I got in, I made my way to the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore, another archipelago of islands in northern Wisconsin.
Brett Raeburn: I used to live in Bayfield.
Katy Anderson: Yes. And exactly. So, you know, the, apostles well. And I dipped my toes in interpretation, and lived out on Stockton Island, and it was just it was an amazing experience. and from there, I put myself through a seasonal academy, which was kind of the norm in, in how to get permanent in the law enforcement ranks.
Katy Anderson: And so put myself through that academy. because I really wanted to be running more of like the adrenaline junkie calls that were kind of coming with rangering. And I really wanted to get in on some of the craziness. and so then I spent the next five years of my career seasonally at Rocky Mountain National Park as a seasonal law enforcement ranger, doing the front country side of things, and then also the backcountry work.
Katy Anderson: I was able to jump in on the search and rescue operations. Really got my first, experience working fatalities and working the family liaison roles. and then also starting and really integrating the other side of my life that had always been so strong for me. And that was, having a horse component, in my career and started my mountain patrols, at Rocky Mountain National Park.
Brett Raeburn: Oh, wow. So you that you've done, like, a lot of things.
Ashton Hooker: [laughing]
Katy Anderson: I have, and that was the seasonal days. and I'll make it brief on the permanent. But the permanents were really neat because that that Rocky experience, and my offseason, I had been doing ski patrol work, full time and had some avalanche background. And so Yellowstone picked me up permanently to be working on Sylvan Pass and, and be doing avalanche control up there as well.
Katy Anderson: So I sort of could bring a skill set of the rangering skills as well as sort of my other, life loves into one into one job and then ran down to Grand Canyon for five years and got some crazy experience down there. and that experience on the South Rim, being a South Rim Ranger for about five years, really built the core of who I am as a person and ranger and supervisor.
Katy Anderson: at this point in time, and then returned to Yellowstone, to the justice, operation and the law enforcement office as the court liaison. And, which I can say is now definitely one of the best jobs I've ever had. and, and into the role that I have now full time as a law enforcement specialist for Yellowstone National Park.
Brett Raeburn: That's awesome. And I guess we should mention to folks that you're joining us remotely. from from Glacier National Park. So you're on a detail currently at Glacier as well, right?
Katy Anderson: I am, yeah. With, within the National Park Service and just federal agencies in general, we're able to do either temporary promotions or details, kind of, where a park unit will borrow you for a period of time and let you get some really good experience. So right now, I'm the acting chief ranger in Glacier, and, filling in a gap a period from when the old ranger, old Chief Ranger retired, and when they get their new Chief Ranger in.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah, that's an awesome opportunity to have some of those.
Brett Raeburn: so do you have a typical day, in your position at Yellowstone? I'm guessing not, but but what what is, normal if you had to. You know, I'm doing air quotes for people listening. What's a normal day for you to look like?
Katy Anderson: Completely not normal.
Katy Anderson: You know, it's really interesting. The Yellowstone law enforcement office is super unique in the National Park Service. we've got a full time federal magistrate. So a judge right there, we've got a United States attorney right in the building. We've got a United States marshal, who works on all of our arrests with us and our warrants, and, and Yellowstone cases are all prosecuted in-house.
Katy Anderson: And our sole purpose in, in my operation, is in support of the field, the field staff. So the field rangers who are doing all the patrols and the response to emergency stuff, and really providing our office provides subject matter expertise. We assist you know, search warrants and blood draw warrants on DUI and filling out criminal complaints and really just supporting our partnership in and out of the house.
Brett Raeburn: yeah, that's a lot of different things going on. And I'm guessing it's that, like variety that, that you're seeking. I mean, you talked about being an adrenaline junkie, obviously. You know, you don't seem like you're the type of person that just sits sits down often. You're always out doing stuff. Is the vibe I'm getting from you?
Katy Anderson: Yeah. The operation is a dream for me because it's super dynamic. There's a ton going on, it's slightly out of control. There's a lot, a lot of stuff happening. And, there's always like kind of big balls or big issues floating up in the air that need to be tackled. And, I like that. It's definitely the energy that I like.
Katy Anderson: dealing with stuff at.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.
Ashton Hooker: And that's something that, you know, not every person is going to thrive in that type of environment. Like what are some things that you do that helps you. Yeah. Juggle all those things that you say is up in the air like what qualities do you need to have to enjoy a job like that?
Katy Anderson: You know, I think there has to be sort of a natural, comfort level with, with multitasking things. And I'm not sure if that's an ADD portion of my universe or something else, but, being able to to ride the waves of chaos a little bit and be okay with that and, and take a left hand turn when you were supposed to take a right hand turn that day like that is absolutely critical.
Katy Anderson: I think it's also super cliche, but, communication, like literally being able to communicate with everyone from defendants, who are sitting in your jail, prisoners to the chief magistrate, judge and beyond is, it's completely mission critical. in our operation, I'm sure 90 plus percent of my day, and my job as a law enforcement specialist is just building trust and bridges with the field and all of our partners through it.
Katy Anderson: Just so much like you cannot overcommunicate in this job.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes a lot. I mean, and, like, the communication can make the difference between, like, de-escalating somebody and escalating somebody. I mean, that can make a huge difference. And and what your day ends up being like.
Katy Anderson: Absolutely.
Brett Raeburn: So so is that your favorite part of the job that that variety that, you know, you just never know what's going to happen doing a lot of different things. Or is there something else.
Katy Anderson: That is a huge part of what makes me love my job? I think if if I was really going to be pinned down on having to say what my favorite part of the my job is sort of in the last decade of my career here, I would say whether we like it or not, the National Park Service is like a giant family, and it needs tending to very similarly.
Katy Anderson: my my favorite part of the job, I think, is probably having really meaningful connections, with my team and my peers, and those many levels above me, and being at a point in my career right now that I'm given some creative liberty to create the type of work environment that fosters those connections. I think that's it's like it's it's so interesting because I think that adrenaline junkies like your younger years, you know, and the older you get, it's just, life is short.
Katy Anderson: And the relationships that you have at work, which is where we spend most of our time and at home, are just so critically important. yeah.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah. And that that's been, that's come up a few times in our conversations with people, especially those have like, lived in the interior of the park or like remote areas. It's like that community is so important because that's that's who you're that's who you have. Yes. And so you, you know, you do you do a lot with those people.
Brett Raeburn: You work with them and you know, you have them over to dinner and all those things. And I think that's part of what the it's so special about the National Park Service experience that you just don't get in other jobs.
Ashton Hooker: Yeah. It's not a lot of work environments where you work with your coworkers, and then you also go live in the same neighborhood as them, you know, like they're you're literally your neighbors. Yeah. So that's a big difference.
Brett Raeburn: I know when Jake takes his recycling, I mean.
Katy Anderson: Right, there's.
Brett Raeburn: I can see what I can see what he's been eating for lunch if I wanted to.
Katy Anderson: That's perfect.
Katy Anderson: That is a perfect example of how this works.
Ashton Hooker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brett Raeburn: so, so on the flip side of that, what's what's the toughest part of the job?
Katy Anderson: You know, similarly, I think I went the first half for two thirds of my career here, I have gone, full blown energy, like I have done things at 1,000% and really kind of gone full send on everything. But, it takes a toll. Like this career is not for the faint of heart. we see a lot of the underbelly and the darker sides of society, and to have to deal like we have to deal with the aftermath of all of that.
Katy Anderson: It is us. We are exclusive jurisdiction here. We don't have, other agencies coming in to sort of take the case from us with it. It is it lays in our hands. Yellowstone sees, you know, 2 to 3 million people in a really condensed portion of the year in the summer there annually. And all of those visitors and those of us living in the park bring our issues and problems and addictions with with them and with us.
Katy Anderson: And so.
Katy Anderson: It's really critical at this stage in my career. And we've seen the aftermath of not sort of dealing with some of that stuff and talking about it that we actively process the cumulative work stress and the trauma. And, thankfully, you know, Yellowstone National Park is at the forefront of supporting their team, with the Yellowstone Resiliency Project.
Katy Anderson: And the National Park Service is, building out some exceptional peer support. Mind body wellness type programs to support us proactively for a fulfilling career, but more importantly, for our well-being the day we retire and beyond. so we're we're we're still coming out whole. And that has been a huge cultural shift that I that has accelerated, I would say, in the last three years.
Katy Anderson: and so the toughest part of my job is that is like the loss that we see through trauma. And, you know, dealt with issues. but also just the light in that is that I've got the opportunity right now with my own career to, like, hyper focus on those things and be part of, shifting a culture nationwide, really.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah. That's awesome to hear. I mean, especially, you know, we all take our jobs, home with us somewhat. But in your position and especially I, I'd imagine that that's like one of those things that's really hard to, to not take home. And, you know, I mean, that could really eat away at you if you, if you don't take care of yourself when you're home with your family.
Katy Anderson: Yeah, absolutely.
Ashton Hooker: Yeah. And and you mentioned the Yellowstone Resiliency Project. I'm not sure a lot of people might not know what that is. Do you mind just telling people a little bit about what that entails?
Katy Anderson: Yeah. So the project, came about in cooperation with Yellowstone, I believe, in Yellowstone Forever was was where that, partnership really came about after the Yellowstone flood and, after the loss of some and some coworkers, to suicide and, there was some forward thinkers and, and support from the superintendent's office and the chiefs, to move forward in that partnership to fund mental health resources in Yellowstone.
Katy Anderson: I mean, the most amazing, one of the most amazing parts about living in Yellowstone is it has its remoteness. And, and its disconnect from the rest of the chaos of the world that's happening around us. But the downside to that is we we have a hard time with resources and getting them and and so, the Yellowstone Resiliency Project, has funded bringing in, health care providers for counseling and touch bases and just, connection.
Katy Anderson: So, so we're not kind of going through these big life events and sort of suffering on our own. and there's, you know, bigger conversations that are sort of happening on like, where next? What what next for these programs? but absolutely critical for every division in the park to have this resource to be tapping into and just normalizing the conversations around it.
Katy Anderson: I mean, this is the human experience that we have right now, and nobody is alone in their suffering. We all go through it. and just the pressures of life, you know, create environments that we need to take care of, take care of ourselves and one another. I mean, that's just the reality in the park services. we have to have to take care of one another.
Katy Anderson: So this Yellowstone resiliency project is brilliant. the folks that are working on it have just done an incredible job, implementing it. And we are so lucky to have that team working for us.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah, it definitely forward thinking that that was that was the key point I think you brought up there. It's like one of those things that plays dividends. It's it's you're playing the long game when you're investing in people's mental well-being and so that that's awesome. I guess cycling back to kind of, your career, it sounds like you've had a lot of moments that you could probably choose as a defining moment.
Brett Raeburn: Do you have one defining moment that you would say, you know, kind of defined your NPS career or set you on a trajectory or that you can look back on?
Katy Anderson: you know, I, I think about it often is I get asked a lot like, what's the best park you've lived in? What's the best position you ever had? And I can I can honestly say that I am so, like at the core of my being, I am so incredibly proud of every single job that I've had with the National Park Service over the past 23 years.
Katy Anderson: I'm so proud of myself as a GS-3 at Assateague Island. Like, you know, that that I ever even, like, stepped into it and got that job. I would say it all builds on itself. It builds character, it builds, who you are to the core of your being and each of these positions that you're in. And I would say just sort of sitting here in this window now, like watching the snow dump, you know, on Glacier Park, the acting chief ranger in Glacier National Park, right now is one of those highlights.
Katy Anderson: And I feel so honored to have the support from my Yellowstone team. which is like my core team, to take on this role and, have to have this connection now with yet another incredible gem of a park and the amazing people that call this place home.
Brett Raeburn: You have all of these connections to places where people like they're on people's bucket list. Like they're happy to just make it to one of those in a lifetime, and you've got all these special memories at so many. And we all do. I mean, that's that's kind of why we all do what we do, I guess, in a way.
Katy Anderson: So lucky.
Brett Raeburn: That's awesome. Yeah. Since it was such a good answer, I'll let you get away with. I technically said you had to have one defining moment, so. But I'll let you get away with it because it was like it was a really good answer.
Katy Anderson: But if you know me, there's never one I always juggle at least three things.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah, I'm the same way.
Ashton Hooker: Yeah.
Brett Raeburn: so. And this is, this is a pretty, you know, probably a more straight connection than, than some of the other, people that we've interviewed. But how does your job contribute to the Park Service mission? so, you know, the Park Service mission, is kind of drives everything that we, that we do, and it's at the forefront of our minds every day.
Brett Raeburn: But. So how does your job, contribute to that?
Katy Anderson: I would say, it takes it takes a massive village of committed public servants to come anywhere near fulfilling the mission of the national park Service. I am just a cog in the wheel. But at the core, I. I truly believe that my work is super meaningful and impactful. and I feel that every single day, whether it's helping the field Rangers with a complex victim case as we run the victim program, victim witness program in my office or supporting the, you know, the prosecution of a significant poaching case, I, I love my job.
Katy Anderson: And, you know, I've heard people say that, like, you shouldn't love your job because it'll never love you back. And I just am unconvinced of that. And I think you need to find deep joy in the work that you're doing and think, believe truly that that it's, making an impact is for the greater good. And I never question that, no matter how hard my days are.
Katy Anderson: I know that, like, I'm giving back way bigger than I'm getting, and I'm totally okay with that.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah. That's awesome. And someone has to keep Ashton with her five foot by five foot hitchhiking sign.
Ashton Hooker: You gotta keep me in check.
Brett Raeburn: On the right side of the law.
Katy Anderson: Unreasonable, Ashton.
Ashton Hooker: Hey, I went big.
Brett Raeburn: So? So for those those of people who are listening to this and are just like, wow, that sounds like an awesome job. Like me, like I'm like, wow, that sounds like so, so what what series do I look at in USA jobs to to do what you're doing?
Katy Anderson: Yeah. the series that that fly, that post, on USA jobs, which is where I work, which is where all of our, you know, federal jobs are posted is 0025. So right now that's the Ranger series. and, you know, at some point there may be a shift in that, but right now, 0025 Park Ranger law enforcement is what, folks would be looking at in USA jobs.
Brett Raeburn: And is it is at the same series for like all the positions kind of working their way up the ladder?
Katy Anderson: Yeah, it is everything from your field level law enforcement GS-5, all the way up into your Chief Ranger positions.
Brett Raeburn: Awesome. That makes it easy. I feel like a lot of times it jumps around and gets complicated, and it's hard to keep track of all those numbers. So 0025 is the one to remember. and do you need formal training, to, to get that like GS-5 position.
Katy Anderson: You do. There's a couple. Oh, a couple routes now, kind of the old way is where we would put ourselves through a seasonal academy. A law enforcement academy, that's connected with the National Park Service. And then you would apply to seasonal positions like summer positions. This last year, a new system, a direct hire initiative was sort of started.
Katy Anderson: And, we're hiring things a little bit differently. So, in that case, a couple times a year, there's announcements that are flown nationwide for the National Park Service, law enforcement positions. either way, you'll spend a significant amount of time at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glencoe, Georgia. and and then in a field training park as you build a foundation to your law enforcement career.
Brett Raeburn: How long are you in that field training park for?
Katy Anderson: It the field training park? is I gonna think about how many weeks...I think it's 13 weeks. I'm kind of talking off the cuff here, but, and sometimes that's your home park. Yellowstone is. We're really lucky. We're one of those parks to have a field training park, in and staff in place that can field, field train folks in person.
Ashton Hooker: and what's the kind of stuff that, people are exposed to in that training? Like what could if somebody is interested in going through that, like, what would they expect to be exposed to?
Katy Anderson: Yeah. You know, I think, it just kind of ties into, to another portion of some of the questions at the core of these jobs, we are federal law enforcement officers. Like, that is the core of what we're doing. And so, for example, FLETC, the federal law Enforcement Training center, they do foundational like basic, basic law enforcement training.
Katy Anderson: So everything from some people's first day on the firearms range, with your pistol and your shotgun and your, rifle to patrol tactics, like, how do I literally drive my police car? How do I do high speed, high speed, pursuit kind of chases? how do I care for victims in in cases? how do I physically maintain my fitness and show that I can, you know, ground fight with somebody that I'm going to need to go hands on with in my career?
Katy Anderson: How do I handcuff somebody? What are my arrest procedures? So it really takes you through, all of the basics of how to be a cop.
Brett Raeburn: yeah. So it's like a good crash course then.
Katy Anderson: And. Yeah, you make it or you don't. It's. Yeah, a crash course. You have to have the mental space and be really there to want to do it because it's, it's not all fun and games at all.
Brett Raeburn: Sure, sure, sure. I bet you you build some really strong connections with the people that you go through that with, kind of like, you know, boot camp or something.
Katy Anderson: Absolutely.
Brett Raeburn: Well, before we let you go, Katie, do you have we like to ask this of everybody because it's just fun for us. And we I come up with more things that I want to do in my summer vacations. But do you have a favorite story or a memory? It doesn't have to be from Yellowstone. any National Park Service unit that you visited or worked at, do you have a favorite story?
Katy Anderson: I, it's going to come from Yellowstone, and I don't know if it's a specific story. I think what I would say is this kind of speaks to the specialness of living in these places. living in Yellowstone is like being a National Geographic episode every day. And, and I would say it's, amplified when you live in the interior, which I've lived in several times, and I don't now.
Katy Anderson: But, what I would say is you can almost gauge the rhythms of the year, like the seasons of the year by the flow of the wildlife and the thoroughfares and the tracks that they are, walking and, you know, just this season, right now, as I'm not in Yellowstone, I'm in Glacier, and I don't have the bison out my window.
Katy Anderson: I, you know, I'm starting to wonder if, you know, if the cow bison right now with their big swollen bellies, if they're starting to make their way towards Mammoth Hot Springs and down to their calving grounds. And that always is like my sure sign that spring is coming. And I just think that's just one of the most incredible parts about living in Yellowstone, is that you can just, it feels very prehistoric to be living there with them.
Katy Anderson: And just watching these, these old rhythms just float by like we are truly just there in somebody else's world, and, we're just guests. It's amazing.
Ashton Hooker: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty special.
Brett Raeburn: Yeah. I love being in a place where it's like. Like, like you said, there's connections to, like, the natural world. Like the bluebirds are like. I heard a blue bird, you know, spring is coming, and everyone's just as excited as you are.
Ashton Hooker: Yeah.
Brett Raeburn: Some places people will be like, what the what?
Ashton Hooker: that's that's awesome.
Brett Raeburn: Well, well, thank you so much for for joining us and taking the time. I, I know I speak for all of us, but we thank you all for your service. And thank you for keeping us safe. I know I live, like, literally all of my neighbors are law enforcement rangers, so I just feel like the safest person whenever I'm out and about my home.
Brett Raeburn: so thank you all for. For what you and your, your team do, day in and day out.
Katy Anderson: Yeah. Thanks so much for having me. Thank you.
Brett Raeburn: All right. That's it for this week's episode of What We Do. Thanks again to our guest, Katie Anderson. If you like what we do, rate and review the show wherever you listen. Every positive review really helps new listeners find the show, so thanks for doing that. If you have a question or want to learn more about particular job, contact us using the form at go nps.gov/WhatWeDoPodcast.
Brett Raeburn: Thanks for listening.
