Fringe Legal

Jan 16 2025 90 ep. 34 mins 7
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The Fringe Legal Podcast is a collection of conversations with legal innovators on how to put ideas into practice. Each episode is a discussion with a change-maker who shares their ideas, insights, and lessons from their journey.

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Practice, Profit, Power: James Markham and Darren Mee of The Legal MBA

Jan 16 2025 37 mins  
In this episode of Fringe Legal, we host an engaging discussion with James Markham and Darren Mee, authors of 'The Legal MBA.' The conversation delves into their backgrounds, the inspiration behind their book, and its key themes. We discuss the importance of a broad business education for legal professionals, the integration of legal technology, and the practical applications of th

Balancing Technology and Human Connection in Legal Services with Joey Seeber

Sep 03 2024 21 mins  
In this episode of Fringe Legal, recorded live from ILTACON 2024 in Nashville, Tennessee, Ab sits down with JoeySeeber, CEO of Level Legal. Joey discusses the journey and growth of Level Legal over 15 years, starting during the Great Recession. The conversation delves into various aspects of building a business for longevity, maintaining a startup mindset in a small company, and de

Law Firm Revenue Management with Ayora.ai - The $36 Billion Opportunity

Feb 14 2024 33 mins  
In this episode of the Fringe Legal podcast, host Ab interviews Stefan Ciesla, the co-founder and CEO of Ayora ai, a startup that focuses on helping law firms manage their revenues and improve the revenue management skills of fee earners such as attorneys and lawyers. Steven discusses the problem Ayora is solving in the legal industry and the role of lawyers as revenue managers. He

Building a tech-enabled culture in law firms

Jan 16 2024 34 mins  
In this episode of the Fringe Legal podcast, host Ab chats with Conan Hines, Director of Legal Technology at Fried Frank, about building a tech-enabled culture in law firms. Conan shares insights from his previous roles at Clifford Chance and other law firms, highlighting the importance of understanding the role of legal technology and the psychology and behavior of users when it c

Reinventing Associate Training with Abdi Shayesteh (AltaClaro)

Oct 11 2023 43 mins  
While technology races ahead, improving legal training and education has lagged behind. Law schools excel at teaching students the law, but critical and practical skills development is often lacking. With the traditional law firm apprenticeship model fading, junior lawyers frequently lack opportunities to gain hands-on experience.Abdi Shayesteh, founder and CEO of the legal trainin

Workflow Reimagined: How Generative AI Transforms Legal Operations

Sep 14 2023 42 mins  
As part of our series of examining Generative AI in Practice, Fringe Legal spoke with Stephanie Corey, founder of legal operations consultancy UpLevel Ops, and Brandi Pack, UpLevel’s Legal Tech Analyst & AI Consultant. They share how legal teams can thoughtfully leverage generative AI to transform workflows, augment human skills, and futureproof roles. With proper governance

Moving Past The AI Hype - A Conversation With LexisNexis' Jeff Pfeifer

Sep 07 2023 29 mins  
We sat down with Jeff Pfeifer, Chief Product Officer at LexisNexis during ILTACON 2023 to get his insights on legal AI progress, hype versus reality, increased law firm adoption, and the importance of demonstrating tangible benefits.Topics covered:Navigating the legal AI hype cycleAI’s potential to enhance legal workflowsGrowing law firm interest and hands-on explorationAvoiding

Definely’s Blueprint for Disrupting Contract Workflows

Aug 14 2023 30 mins  
In this episode of Fringe Legal, host Abhijat Saraswat interviews Nnamdi Emelifeonwu and Feargus MacDaeid, co-founders of legal tech startup Definely.Key Takeaways:Definely creates software plugins to simplify drafting, reviewing, and analyzing legal contracts in Microsoft Word using AI/ML.The idea originated from Feargus' need as a blind lawyer to access information in documents m

Decoding ESG: A Practical Guide for Legal Teams

Jul 24 2023 38 mins  
ESG (environmental, social, governance) factors have become essential considerations for companies seeking to manage risk, attract investment, and operate sustainably.Yet myths and misconceptions persist around what ESG is and how best to approach it. This leads many legal teams to view ESG as an amorphous compliance exercise rather than a strategic priority.Recently on the Fringe

Why "New and Shiny" Tech Often Flops at Law Firms with India Preston

Jul 13 2023 32 mins  
Summary:In this insightful episode of Fringe Legal, host Abhijat Saraswat has an in-depth discussion with India Preston, Director of Platform Solutions at legal tech startup Lupl. They delve into India's winding journey into legal project management, tactical approaches to driving adoption, and how to effectively challenge established processes.India shares learnings and advice dra